OZmium Sports Betting and Horse Racing Forums

OZmium Sports Betting and Horse Racing Forums (http://forums.ozmium.com.au/index.php)
-   RaceCensus (http://forums.ozmium.com.au/forumdisplay.php?f=64)
-   -   Breeding, Training, Punting. (http://forums.ozmium.com.au/showthread.php?t=26715)

Lord Greystoke 31st August 2013 02:35 PM

Apples did the business, I see?

Cheers LG

Chrome Prince 31st August 2013 05:23 PM

Bonne Nuit R7 Caulfield unplaced
Flash Of Doubt R2 Caulfield unplaced
Danas Best R4 Rosehill WON $3.28 (BFSP Net)
Honorius R8 Rosehill unplaced
Pakal R7 Caulfield 3rd

So far the "stable" has had twelve starts for four winners, two seconds, two third and earned $300,800 in prizemoney.
Betting action is plus 0.47 units. 3.92% POT

Chrome Prince 31st August 2013 05:37 PM

<iframe width="640" height="480" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/NOXKDb-__Ls?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Tayjack 31st August 2013 08:21 PM

[QUOTE=Chrome Prince]
Flash Of Doubt R2 Caulfield unplaced
[QUOTE]

Seriously, what an awful ride by the jock on this one, the horse jumped with them, travelled through the first 200 running 5/6th, then he snags back over 1000, then left climbing all over them after turning into the straight 3rd last. Why he had to snag back so far was beyond me. The 18's on offer was a good bet after the dominant win at sandown, only to be absolutely slaughtered by an apprentice. Couldnt believe my eyes when he did that, it was like he had a brain snap. <label for="rb_iconid_8"></label>
<label for="rb_iconid_8"></label>
As for altius, how could that horse of started 1st or 2nd fav after the efforts it has produced this time in. Nice lay chrome, and probably lay of the day. He just cant go in the straight, or even build into an even tempo and quicken for that matter.

Best TJ

Chrome Prince 31st August 2013 11:56 PM

Agree with both points TJ.
As for Altius, his one and only chance of winning was a ******** for leather pace and getting a split at the right time. Unfortunately they ran it at a dawdle and he was never a chance. There's a win for him somewhere someday, I feel desperately sorry for his connections. Especially when the trainer is making optimistic predictions.

Tayjack 1st September 2013 10:07 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrome Prince
Agree with both points TJ.
As for Altius, his one and only chance of winning was a ******** for leather pace and getting a split at the right time. Unfortunately they ran it at a dawdle and he was never a chance. There's a win for him somewhere someday, I feel desperately sorry for his connections. Especially when the trainer is making optimistic predictions.
Yeah dawdle they did, im still not sure where waller places him to get that win, maybe he conders placing him back at the midweek somewhere to get some confidence.

Best tj

Chrome Prince 1st September 2013 11:37 AM

Here's a big call....Chris Waller is too successful to give Altius the attention he needs and deserves. With every failing run, he is costing his owners big money in training fees, stud fees and acceptance fees. Waller is so successful now, that he has big strings of successful horses to attend to.
Altius obviously needs to be "broke down" and built up again. He's got loads of ability, but needs to be trained differently.
He has no early speed, a short stride and a bad action (hence his injury).
Either they do something now, or they should retire him, he's bleeding money out of his stud value like a sieve.
Their only hope is to take him away from Waller, who is telling bedtime stories, and send him to someone who will nuture and work on the horse, not just keep him fit.
He needs to go over the jumps in training to sharpen him up and try to lengthen his stride. They need to work on his sprint, and they need to give the horse confidence, like set him for a nice midweeker as TJ suggested.

The best bred horses, are often the most expensive duds because people remain confident when they would have given up long ago.
And big trainers will keep stringing along clients for training fees rather than the right prospects for the horse :mad:

Chrome Prince 1st September 2013 10:14 PM

Fairly obvious of course, but the best strider from Saturday was Atlantic Jewel:

Atlantic Jewel*
Bonne Nuit
Cauthen
Elite Elle
Flash Of Doubt
Forever Love
Danas Best
Gregers
Henwood
Honorius
Montgomery
Octavia
Pakal
Photon Willie
Puissance De Lune
Rain Affair
Rebel Dane
Recycle Prince
Surpass
That's A Good Idea

This rounds out the stable of 20 striders to follow for demonstration purposes

Chrome Prince 1st September 2013 10:15 PM

So far the "stable" has had twelve starts for four winners, two seconds, two thirds and earned $300,800 in prizemoney.
Betting action is plus 0.47 units. 3.92% POT

Chrome Prince 3rd September 2013 03:42 PM

I've criticised Chris Waller previously on his handling of Altius.
Not just the handling of Altius, but the feedback given regarding the horse's prospects. It's very difficult when you run a large successful team of Group performers. Clearly Chris has the talent and the bloodstock to be so successful.
I think the problem is he doesn't have the time to devote to Altius, as there are much better horses in his stable with better prospects.

Danielle from CWR (Chris Waller Racing) has been taking Hawkspur to dressage training. Hawkspur wears a lot of gear to dressage. Side reins attached to the saddle, what appears to be a snaffle ringbit (could be wrong).
Hawkspur is nominated for a lot of big Spring races and the dressage training could be to calmn the gelding down a bit.

Perhaps Danielle could take Altius out to do some basic dressage but more importantly work on his gait and stride. Sure there is the risk of repeat injury, especially if schooling over jumps, but they are wasting their time and owners money unless this horse can win a Group race to improve his stud value. I don't see him winning any Group races, except by pure luck where the pace hands it to him on a platter.

Chris says "Altius will probably go to the Cameron Handicap for his next start and if he was to win that race, we would be kicking ourselves if he wasn't nominated for the Epsom."

So the Cameron Handicap and Epsom are his targets, better pray for a cracking pace, or the horse has no hope at all :(


All times are GMT +10. The time now is 09:38 PM.

Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.0.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.