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Shaun 12th March 2009 11:18 AM

goty0405 , I would like a copy of that spreadsheet if that ok send it to my e-mail shaun2166 at msn dot com

Shaun 12th March 2009 11:28 AM

A lot of those double figure prices are in the top 4, i wonder how you would go just backing those abover $10

Chrome Prince 12th March 2009 12:16 PM

I did an analysis a couple of years ago on the ratings.

I'm not entirely sure exactly how they are calculated, but the Techform ratings outperformed the Unitab ratings by a fair margin.
I also found that they must have a generic scale, so it's just their top rated horse which is allocated 100.
I.E. a 100 rater in one race is not the same as a 100 rater in another race, there can be a massive difference in the actual points the horses get, yet they still get 100 for being top.

If they did it like the racing post ratings it would be much better.

lomaca 12th March 2009 12:34 PM

goty0405 , If not too much trouble would you send me a copy of of the spreadsheet also.

petfood at virginbroadband dotcomdotau
Many thanks

Stix 12th March 2009 12:54 PM

Hi goty0405

Geez... a few putting thier hand out here, sorry

stixpropun at aanet dot com dot au is my email

Many thanks, muchly appreciated!

stugots 12th March 2009 03:04 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaun
A lot of those double figure prices are in the top 4, i wonder how you would go just backing those abover $10


& a lot of them aint, bound to be greater value outside the radio tips, but profitability is the ?

been backing all 100 raters >=$10 for a while for, mainly pub bets, with some success, but doubt theres anything to get to excited about with such a freely available piece of info.

goty0405 12th March 2009 07:51 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaun
Hi, would you have the average divi for each of those winners
I can tell you the average divs of the winners and the result of backing each $10 flat stakes @ TAB prices...

Just 100 Raters
Avg Div = $3.74
TAB Prices = -$45 145

100 Rater + Tob 4 Tab Tips
Avg Div = $3.17
TAB Prices = -$33 159

100 Rater + Tob 3 Tab Tips
Avg Div = $3.07
TAB Prices = -$30 305

100 Rater + Tob 2 Tab Tips
Avg Div = $2.87
TAB Prices = -$22 078

100 Rater + Tob 1 Tab Tips
Avg Div = $2.58
TAB Prices = -$13 713

So yeah they don't make money just like that (well not with TAB prices).

goty0405 12th March 2009 07:52 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by sportzfan
...which states (location) are we talking goty0405

...& assuming a few...any location better than others

...cheers
Those stats were all races. I will need to play around to get stats on each track so that can go on my to-do list :D

goty0405 12th March 2009 07:57 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by partypooper
Could be worth just adding late mail selection to this and see where it goes??

Secondly split into Metro and non metro as you know we can obtain Best Tote or SP for Metro which might just make the difference??? especially for the place!
Ah now you're getting to where I was at with this idea...I have tried 100 Raters + Top Tab Tip + Late Mail tip with the following results:

Selections: 3361
1st: 1289 (38.35%)
2nd: 617 (18.36%)
3rd: 435 (12.94%)
Not Placed: 1020 (30.35%)
Avg Div of Winners: $2.19
If Back $10 on each on TAB prices: $-5397

Much closer...If you factor in getting better prices (say 10% better) than it only runs at -$2575. Heres where I thought it was close but maybe needed 1 more filter.

goty0405 12th March 2009 08:02 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by stugots
so i get a 13.62% win strike rate for 100 raters not included in 1st 4 radio tips

would be interested to see the returns on that as it would probably include most of those double figure 100 raters that keep getting up...
100 Raters NOT in the Top 4 Tips
Selections: 429
1st: 82 (19.11%)
2nd: 66 (15.38%)
3rd: 57 (13.29%)
Not Placed: 224 (52.21%)
Avg Div of Winners: $4.09
If Back $10 each: -$933

May sound small but in fact its got a ROI (return on investment) of -20%. Not good.


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