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Rinconpaul 15th March 2013 11:01 AM

Inconsistencies
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by michaelg
Today's selections:

Moonee valley
8/9*

Ipswich
7/5

Swan Hill
8/1*

Port Mac
8/1

Goulburn
4/4

Geraldton
5/2*
7/1*
8/1
They're your selections MG but the ones marked in red above don't strictly follow your rules that I'm aware of. Some the CP is < 10, some are second on list? Your call
Cheers RP

michaelg 15th March 2013 11:20 AM

Thanks for checking, RP.

I didn't mention it but I've decided to ignore the number of CP points for convenience/ease. I hope this is not a mistake.

The top selection for Geraldton R7 (no.11) is scratched, so the next selection no.1 (123 points) becomes the selection.

As you state, Geraldton 5/2 is not a selection. I have also checked the top selection with more than 170 neural points because it has showed a profit for the past three days. I wrote Geraldton 5/2 for the wrong method. Now that I've reopened this thread I'll list the selections for this over 170 points method in case anyone's interested:

Moonee Valley
4/3
7/1

Ipswich
5/10
6/1
8/3

Swan Hill
7/5

Port Mac
6/2
7/1

Goulburn
6/3
7/2

Geraldton
5/2

SpeedyBen 15th March 2013 03:37 PM

Is the profit for the 170+ runners by backing or layng, Michael?

michaelg 15th March 2013 04:01 PM

I'm looking at laying, even though doing that is risky. So far there have been 2 accidents from 7 selections, for a current loss of $4.78.

michaelg 15th March 2013 09:32 PM

The 170 points method had a losing day for the first time. The loss was $21.75, and the result after three days is a profit of $54.71.

The 171-plus points method had a winning day of $9.64.

michaelg 16th March 2013 12:03 PM

Today's selections for the 170 points are:

Warwick Farm
8/3

Bendigo
3/4

Eagle farm
6/4

Oakbank
9/5

Darwin
6/2

Kembla
4/7
6/2

Broken Hill
3/3

Scone
4/7
5/4

Geelong
4/9
7/1

Ascot
2/3
3/3
5/6
6/12
8/3

Gold Coast
4/2
6/6
7/4

michaelg 16th March 2013 07:48 PM

A good day - from the 19 selections there were 18 smiles for a profit of $92.50.

Since detailing the rules here last Wednesday and listing the daily selections there have been 34 smiles from 37 selections for a profit of $147.21 - I still can't explain why it is happening, maybe it's just going through a purple patch and reality will soon catch up to it.

michaelg 17th March 2013 10:42 AM

Today's selections:

Nowra
6/4
7/6

Yarra Valley
9/5

Ballina
3/6
7/3

Mt Barker
8/12

michaelg 17th March 2013 07:33 PM

Not a bad day - there were 6 smiles from the six selections for a profit of $34.62.

michaelg 17th March 2013 07:43 PM

I don't think I've mentioned it but Maiden races are not included in the method - it is a filter.

michaelg 18th March 2013 10:49 AM

Today's selections are:

Armidale
4/1
5/2

Bathurst
3/1
4/3
6/3
7/1

W'bool
5/1
7/5


According to the law of averages a bad day is overdue.

SpeedyBen 18th March 2013 02:44 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by michaelg
Today's selections are:

According to the law of averages a bad day is overdue.
I wouldn't bet on that Michael.
The neural numbers have been remarkably accurate for a while now.
Good luck with it.

Rinconpaul 18th March 2013 03:25 PM

It's a worry?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpeedyBen
I wouldn't bet on that Michael.
The neural numbers have been remarkably accurate for a while now.
Good luck with it.
It's surely a worry though for the backers, when you think about it!
Your using criteria that's supposed to select the horse, with the best chance of winning based on all algorithms, to LAY?
Maybe the trifecta and 1st 4 backers should be selecting the bottom of the pile neurals for value?
Cheers RP

michaelg 18th March 2013 04:56 PM

Thanks, gents.

From today's 8 selections there were 7 smiles for a profit of $22.66. After 6 days it's today cracked the $200 profit mark from $33 liability bets.

SpeedyBen 18th March 2013 08:49 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rinconpaul
It's surely a worry though for the backers, when you think about it!
Your using criteria that's supposed to select the horse, with the best chance of winning based on all algorithms, to LAY?
Maybe the trifecta and 1st 4 backers should be selecting the bottom of the pile neurals for value?
Cheers RP
RP
The method that you suggested of going further down the list has made $300 profit in 6 days laying to a $33 liability. ( Laying range .. 2.00 to 14.9 )

SpeedyBen 19th March 2013 12:30 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rinconpaul
It's surely a worry though for the backers, when you think about it!
Your using criteria that's supposed to select the horse, with the best chance of winning based on all algorithms, to LAY?
Maybe the trifecta and 1st 4 backers should be selecting the bottom of the pile neurals for value?
Cheers RP
The other interesting thing is that the lays over 6 days have averaged 6.66 on BF so the market has got it wrong also. THeir winning strike rate has been a dismal 13%.
It will be interesting to see how it unfolds.

Rinconpaul 19th March 2013 04:25 AM

shhhh....!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpeedyBen
RP
The method that you suggested of going further down the list has made $300 profit in 6 days laying to a $33 liability. ( Laying range .. 2.00 to 14.9 )
To borrow the words of a union boss, who at the ICAC enquiry into coal licences, is said to have made almost a 9000 per cent profit, after an original outlay of $165,698 resulted in an almost $15 million windfall by late 2011:

"When you read this you will understand why I can't wipe the smile off my face, merry ************ Christmas."

Reading this forum must have been what it was like in Ballarat & Bendigo back in the 1870's, just walk along till you find another gold nugget.
Have a great day, RP

Rinconpaul 19th March 2013 06:36 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by michaelg
Thanks, gents.

From today's 8 selections there were 7 smiles for a profit of $22.66. After 6 days it's today cracked the $200 profit mark from $33 liability bets.

MG, I Archie scored yesterdays results and the probability is 0.89 of 1 loss per 8 selections. So, with the sought of odds you are getting for your selections, around 5:1, you will be able to show a profit long term.
Well done, RP

michaelg 19th March 2013 06:51 AM

Thanks, RP.

However I still have strong reservations, especially when the selections that have more than 170 points in races of 9-plus runners (I haven't checked) but I expect them to be performing well.

SpeedyBen 19th March 2013 08:33 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rinconpaul
To borrow the words of a union boss, who at the ICAC enquiry into coal licences, is said to have made almost a 9000 per cent profit, after an original outlay of $165,698 resulted in an almost $15 million windfall by late 2011:

"When you read this you will understand why I can't wipe the smile off my face, merry ************ Christmas."

Reading this forum must have been what it was like in Ballarat & Bendigo back in the 1870's, just walk along till you find another gold nugget.
Have a great day, RP
Like it. Don't worry, RP, I believe the man who said that you could write the words of a winning system in front of the Randwick gates and no one would be following it after its first bad run. I won't mention it, whatever "it" is, ever again.

michaelg 19th March 2013 11:06 AM

One selection today:

Benalla
7/8

Out of interest, yesterday I layed the field in the 8 races - it provided a profit in six of them, and overall a good profit. I'll be doing this from today and keeping records in case it shows to be profitable.

Today's race (Benalla R6), laying the field. I've kept the liabilities simple because I don't know what the prices will be.

The liabilities I'm using:

$30 - nos 1, 2, 4, 8
$33 - the other horses.

michaelg 19th March 2013 03:45 PM

The selection was beaten for a profit of $4.20.

michaelg 20th March 2013 11:20 AM

Today's selections:

Eagle Farm
6/11
8/6

Sandown
4/7
5/11

Balaklava
8/2

Pinjarra
6/10
7/3
9/9

Newcastle
4/3
7/6

Rinconpaul 20th March 2013 03:44 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rinconpaul
It's surely a worry though for the backers, when you think about it!
Your using criteria that's supposed to select the horse, with the best chance of winning based on all algorithms, to LAY?
Maybe the trifecta and 1st 4 backers should be selecting the bottom of the pile neurals for value?
Cheers RP
Further to the above comment, I note that nearly 40% of winners thus far today can be found outside the top 3 default neurals. Must be considered by anyone betting exotics
RP

michaelg 20th March 2013 07:46 PM

Reality has finally caught up with the method. There were 5 accidents from the 10 selections.

For the last few days I've been laying neural outsiders depending on a simple system, not complicated and time-consuming as was/is the Don Scott's lay outsiders method.

There have been no accidents, not even one placegetter, so I'm hopeful about it, and I think there is some logic to the method providing the neural algorithys are reasonably accurate.

Tomorrow I'll start a new thread with the selections.

There's one more selection to go - it's Launceston 7/5.

SpeedyBen 20th March 2013 09:46 PM

Where is R&S?
 
I think they put the neurals in upside down today Michael.
R&S seem to have gone off the air completely. I'm getting only 404 errors when trying to access them. I haven't seen that error since the early days of the internet.

Rinconpaul 21st March 2013 11:05 AM

R&S
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpeedyBen
I think they put the neurals in upside down today Michael..
You might be on to something there Speedy. Just glanced at the neurals for today Warwick Farm R1. No. 6 Chandos is on top, No. 4 Furious Jet on bottom. Go to Skyform and its the complete reverse in the Best Overall.
RP

Rinconpaul 21st March 2013 12:21 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rinconpaul
Anything that comes from me, comes direct from the Lodge your Lordship.
Cheers RP
Looks like I'm packing my bags!
RP

SpeedyBen 21st March 2013 02:20 PM

[QUOTE=Rinconpaul]Looks like I'm packing my bags!
RP[/QUOTE

I hear that they are going to draft Michael G in as leader.


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