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Those who are interested in stride and gait should have a gander at the video on this site:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...d&v=OLTtTzc2HFI
Here we go Kinz Funky Monkey. A wonderful performance to get up for third after being chopped out early and hampered at the top of the stretch. You might see her length of stride over the final 200m. She is in the purple or lilac, number 3. She is a leader or onpacer, to be chopped out that badly early over 5 furlongs, ridden upside down and still run on for third, was amazing. This is why some non performing very expensive horses with good breeding, are very inexpensive Sires. Great value. |
The trainers of Gregers (David Hayes) and Recycle Prince (Troy Portelli) must have high opinions of these horses as well, they have been nominated for Group races in October, long before their last wins. Trainer mechanics is something that needs to be looked at a bit more by me. ;)
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Octavia nominated for R7 at Caulfield Saturday.
Photon Willie nominated for R5 Rosehill Saturday. |
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"Roughly 80% of horses bred for the track will have some sort of problem and never make it to an elite status," Seder said. "The history of science is that innovation is met with skepticism. I'm just taking science and playing probabilities, looking for those horses that, based on our data of gait and motion analysis, have a higher chance of making it."
Seder is truely a leader in his field, and his opinions and conclusions have been proven correct countless times. To put it plainly, it's an extremely expensive excercise to race a horse and the chances of success are odds of 4/1, which means that 80% of the time, owners are shelling out big money for no return. Many good horses are not obvious performers by breeding, some of the cheapest horses have become champions. When owners and trainers are paying outrageous sums of money for well bred but untried yearlings and 2yo's, it can only be detrimental to the industry as a whole, because many owners disappear burnt. My personal opinion is that breeding should be the last consideration! Controversial I know, but one would be better off looking at horse conformation, gait, stride, and then look at the breeding. Here's a picture of my grandfather in 1930 just before going to the races for a win at The Curragh. |
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If this fine fellow didn't pen something by way of memoirs, you must have something of the sort in you CP? A bridge across several generations, perhaps?? Cheers LG PS would make for better reading than tales of Tommy / Ronnie etc? |
There are some really wicked stories LG, many of them would not be believed, just like I rarely tell the story of my life anymore.
However, on the subject of breeding.... My father owned and rode horses bareback. My fraternal grandfather owned and trained horses. He also trained greyhounds and was so successful, someone snuck into the barn and poisoned all of them! He won a huge purse one day picking every winner for the card on looks. He bought a castle called Clarina Castle with his fortune (demolished in the 1960's). My fraternal uncle volunteered with riding for the disabled in Ireland in retirement. And then there's me....The Green Monkey :eek: |
Here's the castle he bought:
http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/L...g/orig/1426.jpg I should add, this is only for interest sake, I'm only sharing something that might interest some people, as it's quite a story all up. It's not about boasting :( |
It's impressive Chrome, as is the bounty of life stories I see you have inherited. Would make for a decent pint session I reckon (Guinness with you I am guessing)
Next time you elect to trundle down to headquarters let me know - will get the black stuff in at the local or whatever you talk best with! LG |
Off topic, but I don't like Guiness at all, my poor old Dad was horrified.
Stouts are far too "thick" for my tastes. And whiskey can't be tolerated by me, there was an incident when I turned 21 and I poisoned myself on whiskey. To this day, 30 years later, even the smell of it makes me ill. I am an ale and cider bloke these days, although contrary to my breeding, don't drink that often! Yep, The Green Monkey :p |
Took a walk around Caulfield racecourse today in wild and blustery conditions.
The track looks in perfect order for Saturday. Was a great joy when I walked past Peter Moody's and Ross MacDonald's stables and they were taking a few horses out for an afternoon excercise. Moody has quite some complex now ;) Pity I couldn't recognise the horses by name, as there was a fairly young grey horse that caught my eye immediately. |
Altius is nominated for two races at Rosehill on Saturday.
The worse he goes, the better value he'll be to send a mare to. I do hope he can win for his owners, must be extremely disappointing for them. In my humble opinion, i'd be putting him over jumps in training, to try and get him to learn to stretch out more, but then again they probably can't risk further injury. |
Adding Martinvast to the stable after today's performance.
Altius running in race 5 Rosehill Saturday. Octavia running in race 8 Caulfield Saturday. Photon Willie running in race 4 Rosehill Saturday. |
Update from Chris Waller:
Photon Willie "1500 for him is going to be a test. He doesn't do a lot to help himself yet he's got all the ability in the world, so we've seen what he can do, first up this preparation he ran an eyecatching race and second up, it was a very slowly run race on a day you couldn't make up ground. He's ready to run over 1500 now. If he puts his mind on the job. he'll blow this field away, but it's a big if." Altius "He can win too. Bit short (1200m). He's going good and he was a bit keen in that first up run as well." The confidence between the two can be seen reading between the lines. Info courtesy Chris Waller |
Mmmmm- I agree here on photon willy, looking at his last couple , looks like he needs galloping room, hopefully the jock can get him in the running line and then peels before anything behind comes around, if the horse is right and the tempo right he could probably travel 3 deep the trip and win. Surely Waller wouldn't place him here if he didn't think he could get the trip. I have him on top and hope he runs to potential.
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Altius’ name comes from the Olympic motto ‘citius, altius, fortius – which in Latin translates to faster, higher, stronger.
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Yes, I think looking at videos of Willie, he can make up a tremendous amount of ground due to his stride, but he's pretty green in running, e's at Rosehill and he runs to his stable in the straight there. That would be my major concern tomorrow.
Altius can win Saturday, but he's not consistent enough. Because of his stride he can't sustain speed because he expends too much energy. He has talent, but is lower grade talent. I doubt he'll ever win more than one black type race. If eerything goes his way and he gets a split at the right time, he'll poke his nose through, but he doesn't have a good stride at all. He also had throat surgery and has recovered from that to get his breathing right, but I think they need to improve his stride. Mostly they have it or they don't, but one can improve it a bit with patient training. |
Agree re PW, Altius has always promised, and a wonderfully bred horse. Velrosso is weighted to win this event, but altius has that 2nd up form that is almost close enough to ridiculous not to have something on him. Probably wont get a better chance with Nash up.
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They actually switched races to engage Nash, because the owners have a long association with Nash.
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Photon Willie got the chocolates @ $4.80 BFSP (net)
At the 200m mark he really showed his stride briefly, but then shortened stride trying to eyeball his stable and nearly turned it up at the 50m mark. I think a set of blinkers is in order. Altius disappointed again, as I expected. You could see his ability in the run, but his stride is too short with very limited burst of speed that can't be maintained. Well done Tayjack on your call on Velrosso! Octavia just held on to win @ $3.12 BFSP (Net) So far the "stable" has had four starts for two winners, one second placing and earned $156,750 in prizemoney. Betting action is plus 3.92 units. |
Adding to the Stable of striders:
Bonne Nuit Gregers Henwood Honorius* Montgomery Octavia Pakal* Photon Willie Puissance De Lune* Rain Affair Recycle Prince The stable has 11 horses in work, and will add to it until the stable is full of 20 striders to follow. |
Nice bunch you have added chrome, watching some replays this morning, couldn't disagree with any of those.
Well, photon willie, right you are(and were) when, he nearly lost the plot inside the 100, and when the jock let him slide up at the 400 he was bolting, and as you say that stride came into play into the home straight, looked to me as though he was doing it easily. Watching it a few times again, im not sure that the horse really even died on its run, it was just that he switched off and wanted to head for his stable that probably decreased the winning margin. Yep blinkers next time. Wasnt too sure what to make of altius, not one of nash's best?? Probaby not, but the winner did it comfortably in the end, and as stated, just doesn't look like he can or would be up to black type. Best tj |
I thought that also about PW, Tayjack.
Windsucking or Cribbing. Windsucking or Cribbing is when a horse bears down on a fence post or in his stable with his front teeth, tenses his muscles and draws in huge gulps of air. This is usually accompanied by licking the post or rail and can vary from moderate to constantly doing it. This habit is particularly rife in racehorses which are stabled most of the time. Trainers tend to put on a restrictive collar which limits the airway, but this is not addressing the root of the problem nor the causes. This is a terrible thing for horses, it causes their teeth to wear down prematurely, usually resulting in their inability to chew at all and they have to be put down. It also causes ulcers in their stomach and bouts of colic. Quite a few horses have to be put down after more than one bout of colic. Most trainers and horse owners don't know the reason for windsucking and simply put a collar on the horse, which temporarily stops it. It causes a lot of anxiety for the horse and is very difficult to address. There has been much debate over the reasons for windsucking, but it is never learned behaviour from other horses, nor boredom as many speculate. In very mild cases, the horse merely licks or chews on the lead rope or reins when it can. Windsucking can be cured! The reasons that horses start to windsuck are: a) the horse is in pain and windsucking helps. b) the horse is vitamin deficient. The reason that horses continue windsucking when not vitamin deficient nor in pain, is that endorphens are released when they do it, so it becomes a habit that is very hard to break. These are the steps to curing windsucking. Take the horse's temperature and make sure it is not elevated. Do a thorough blood test for vitamin deficiency. (I suspect a lot of it is to do with lack of vitamin D and required salt levels) Take the horse's resting heart rate and respiration rates. Take the horse outside in the sun without a blanket or rug and let it graze for half an hour. (Note if there are flies concentrated in one place only on the horse, flies are attracted to inflammation and infection). Check the horse's gait, if it is choppy or favours one side or one leg. Check the eyes are not dull or milky. Look at the coat to see if it's a bit dull. Have a horse osteopath check the horse for joint or muscle pain. Change the horse's feeding frequency, instead of feeding two or three meals a day, make the servings smaller and more frequent. (horses are grazing animals that produce acid in their stomach, when there is no frequent food, this can lead to stomach ulcers). When all the above has thoroughly been ruled out, then it is a habit, and addiction, that needs to be addressed by natural horsemanship techniques. From a breeding and training perspective, windsuckers have a very poor future. They are expensive to own and usually accompany very high vet bills. They also damage property and can be hard to handle if wearing a collar (they are very anxious). From a punting perspective, windsuckers are horrible investments, they rarely win, because they either have stomach ulcers, lack vitamins, or are in hidden pain. One should particularly look on track or in the gear change list for these items: Cross over noseband (stops the horse opening it's mouth) Tail chain (stops the horse drawing air in through it's rear) Other more obvious gear changes, but very rare are: Muzzle Windsucking device. If on track, go around the stalls and check out the horses wearing windsucking collars. |
I should have actually qualified my statement about crossover nosebands, they are also used for horses that over race with their mouths wide open. So looking at crossover nosebands alone won't tell you it's a windsucker, but it's an indicator to dig deeper.
Why they don't put blinkers on Photon Willy is beyond me. It isn't like they are trying to get better odds next time out. Even a shadow roll would make him concentrate on where he's going. Perhaps there will be some gear change next start, or I'll be at a complete loss. |
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I was at a complete loss on Saturday too Chrome, Race 7 Rosehill, Sadler's Wish. Now last campaign the horse had 5 straight wins in a row at min distance of 1900m. This time round they put it in a 1300m & 1400m and, do they wonder why it came 13th & 14th?? Who knows, it's not rocket science, it stood out like the proverbial, so I Layed it for a bundle to lose, cheering!, but why do they do this?? RP |
Often they are non triers, getting the horse race fit and then, whammo at good odds, so might be worth blackbooking Sadlers Wish for the next start at the right distance.
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Not wrong!! Interesting abut the windsucking(i will be delving deeper). But surely a leading stable has to be on the ball about this, or any stable for that matter. |
You'd think so TJ, but it's more common than one would think.
For example, most stables have at least one or two windsuckers in there. At Caulfield I counted five windsuckers in the stables. My nephew is working with racehorses in the UK, and he told me it's a real problem for the trainers over there. They just whack a collar on the poor horses, and that's about it! |
Evening Chrome.
Not wanting to sidetrack this thread mate but had a quick question for you; Are you able to suggest the best/easiest way to determine if a horse is naturally suited to being riden off the pace i.e. from the form guide? Cheers LG |
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LG, that's a difficult one for a couple of reasons, but firstly you need a formguide like The Sportsman or others that give previous in running positions, from there you can work out the "most likely" position.
However, it depends greatly on the barrier, and the pace. A JB mentioned, it's easier to look at video replays to determine if the horse made ground from back in the field. On or just off the pace has a much better record overall, with backmarkers and midfielders struggling to make back to back wins. (The strike rate is much lower). When I did the speedmap excercise, I found many that got it thereabouts, but no speedmap was totally accurate, the accuracy rate was lifted by the horses with very obvious running style. I'm utilising video replays more each day than I ever did to note many things not indicated in the formguides. |
Thanks for your input mate- I guessed that there was no simple answer, but had to ask anyway to get your take. The 3 bits of data I can see from previous runs in the form guide that I thought might help were..
1. Average early speed 2. Inrunning position (a) settling (b) 800m (c) turn 3. Tempo of race e.g. Suited to front runners / back markers / no bias etc Also - perhaps noted trainers who prefer to have their horses run off the pace (not sure how to tell or how feasible to find out!) Cheers LG |
Bonne Nuit - nominated Moonee Valley Saturday
Gregers - nominated Moonee Valley Saturday Rain Affair - nominated Warwick Farm Saturday |
On the subject of gear changes, here's an illustration.
Taking only those fancied in the market for Geelong and Cessnock today. Cessnock R1 Hint Of Courage $2.15 fave, no gear changes, WON Zippity Zou $6.50, Tongue Tie on, unplaced Cessnock R2 Galring $4.00 fave, no gear changes, 3rd Casino Queen $4.80, no gear changes, WON Oxana $6.00, no gear changes, 2nd Cessnock R3 Quietly Confident $2.05 fave, blinkers on, WON Salterton $6.00, no gear changes, unplaced Natural Grey $6.50, ************s on, unplaced Cessnock R4 Sorel Point $2.15 fave, no gear changes, WON Alimony $4.00, no gear changes, unplaced Cessnock R5 Poulette $3.00 fave, no gear changes, unplaced Lovethebeaches $4.60, no gear changes, unplaced Leaders Road $7.00, no gear changes, WON Cessnock R6 Sukraji $4.00 fave, no gear changes, WON Believe It $4.80, no gear changes, unplaced Madame Fly $7.00, no gear changes, unplaced Excellent Style $7.00, no gear changes, 2nd Miss Mackillop $7.00, no gear changes, unplaced Cessnock R7 Non Stop Rock $2.10 fave, no gear changes, 2nd Mount Earnslaw $8.50, no gear changes, unplaced Cessnock R8 Scarlatti $2.90 fave, no gear changes, 2nd Just For Keeps $4.50, no gear changes, unplaced Dancing Paris $9.00, Blinkers FIRST time, ************s off FIRST time, unplaced* Geelong R1 Ysabelle $2.10 fave, no gear changes, 2nd Promise To Rock $4.30 no gear changes, WON Overnighter $6.00, no gear changes, unplaced Geelong R2 St Chloe $1.95 fave, no gear changes, WON Master Dee Art $4.20, no gear changes, unplaced Kentucky Gem, $4.20 Blinkers FIRST time, 2nd* Geelong R3 Critical Angel $1.90 fave, no gear changes, WON Racing Nadine $5.50 ,no gear changes 2nd Fine Diamond $5.00 , no gear changes, unplaced Geelong R4 Jaja Malu $4.20 fave, no gear changes, 2nd Damysus $6.00, no gear changes, unplaced Singersongwriter $6.00, no gear changes, unplaced Biancrazy $6.60, Bllinkers off FIRST time, 3rd* Geelong R5 Leonne $3.10 fave,tongue tie FIRST time, 3rd* Street Crime $4.20, Cross Over Noseband FIRST TIME, Tongue Tie FIRST TIME unplaced*** Rogue Force $5.00, no gear changes, 2nd Geelong R6 Good And Hot $3.10 fave, Blinkers off again, 2nd Black Jack Boy $3.20, no gear changes, unplaced Oamaru Princess $5.00, no gear changes, WON Geelong R7 Chosen Son $5.00 fave, no gear changes, 2nd Roman Pleasure $5.50, no gear changes, unplaced Armani Black $6.50, no gear changes, WON Geelong R8 Dats A Lass $3.20 fave, no gear changes, unplaced Dark Pearl $4.20, no gear changes, 2nd Platinum Panther $7.00, no gear changes, unplaced Grandmaster Dash $7.00, no gear changes, 3rd Geelong R9 Beau Jez $3.30 fave, no gear changes, WON Bated Breath $4.00, no gear changes, 3rd Mount Zero $4.80, no gear changes, 2nd Babur $6.50, no gear changes, unplaced No gear changes: 44 horses in the market 11 winners Return 43.05 Loss 0.95 @ tattsbet fixed odds LOT 2.16% Blinkers / ************s on: 2 1 winner Return 2.05 Profit 0.05 @ tattsbet fixed odds POT 2.50% Blinkers / ************s first time on: 2 0 winners LOT 100% Tongue Tie on: 1 0 winners LOT 100% Tongue Tie on first time: 1 0 winners LOT 100% Crossover noseband on first time: 1 0 winners LOT 100% Favourites, no gear changes: 14 favourites 6 winners Return 15.45 Profit 1.45 @ tattsbet fixed odds POT 10.36% Favourites Blinkers / ************s on: 1 1 winner Return 2.05 Profit 1.05 @ tattsbet fixed odds POT 105.00% When it comes to favourites, I like to note blinkers / ************s first time, blinkers / ************s again, tongue tie again or no gear changes. Hint Of Courage $2.15 fave, no gear changes, WON Galring $4.00 fave, no gear changes, 3rd Quietly Confident $2.05 fave, blinkers on, WON Sorel Point $2.15 fave, no gear changes, WON Poulette $3.00 fave, no gear changes, unplaced Sukraji $4.00 fave, no gear changes, WON Non Stop Rock $2.10 fave, no gear changes, 2nd Scarlatti $2.90 fave, no gear changes, 2nd Ysabelle $2.10 fave, no gear changes, 2nd St Chloe $1.95 fave, no gear changes, WON Critical Angel $1.90 fave, no gear changes, WON Jaja Malu $4.20 fave, no gear changes, 2nd Chosen Son $5.00 fave, no gear changes, 2nd Dats A Lass $3.20 fave, no gear changes, unplaced Beau Jez $3.30 fave, no gear changes, WON I think that's a fairly impressive statistic! Then LAY all horses in the market, that are blinkers or ************s off / off again, tongue tie first time, crossover nose band first time, Biancrazy $6.60, Bllinkers off FIRST time, 3rd* Leonne $3.10 fave,tongue tie FIRST time, 3rd* Street Crime $4.20, Cross Over Noseband FIRST TIME, Tongue Tie FIRST TIME unplaced*** Good And Hot $3.10 fave, Blinkers off again, 2nd Reason being, horses racing first time in blinkers or ************s, can improve lengths, tongue tie first time is something the horse struggles to cope with unless he has raced before with it and learned how to breathe. Plenty of horses win with tongue ties on, once they are used to them. Blinkers, ************s off, off again etc, unless replaced with the former or latter means it didn't work and they will revert to the same bad habits in running. Above, four horses well in the market, returned a good lay profit for the day. It's not all beer and skittles, but overall the stats add up for both back and lay methods. Crossover noseband and tongue tie first time was a huge indicator to go in solid for a decent liability. It's the reasons behind the statistics that are important, and has more to do with understanding a horse reaction to new gear. |
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Approach these only if favourite. Any favourite not listed, back: Favourite determined by Tattsbet fixed odds. Canterbury Race 1 1.Above All ************s FIRST TIME (Back) 2.Danas Best Blinkers AGAIN (Back) 5.Tamanu Park Kyneton Nose Band FIRST TIME (Lay) 8.War Horse Ear Muffs FIRST TIME, Tongue Tie FIRST TIME (Lay) Race 2 3.Onadowntowntrain Blinkers FIRST TIME, Noseroll OFF FIRST TIME, Tongue Tie FIRST TIME (Lay) 4.Senior Council Blinkers AGAIN, Gelded (Back) 6.Castigate Tongue Tie FIRST TIME (Lay) Race 3 4.Point Made Blinkers OFF FIRST TIME, Visor FIRST TIME (No bet) 7.Our Desert Warrior Gelded, Lugging Bit AGAIN, Norton Bit OFF FIRST TIME (Lay) Race 4 1.Hydro Blinkers OFF AGAIN (Lay) 8.Respected Tongue Tie FIRST TIME (Lay) Race 5 8.Ameliorate Blinkers OFF FIRST TIME (Lay) 9.Grecian Melody Tongue Tie FIRST TIME (Lay) 12.Oh My Papa ************s FIRST TIME (Back) 16.Pinocchio Tongue Control Bit OFF FIRST TIME, Tongue Tie AGAIN (Lay) Race 6 11.Barachello Blinkers FIRST TIME (Back) Race 7 4.Okane Blinkers OFF FIRST TIME (Lay) 5.That's a Good Idea Blinkers AGAIN (Back) 11.Smart Patrol Blinkers OFF AGAIN, Visor FIRST TIME (no bet) Sandown Hillside Race 1 3.Gearstick Blinkers OFF FIRST TIME, Visor FIRST TIME (no bet) 4.Razzle Dazzle Rock Blinker Near side On OFF FIRST TIME (Lay) Race 2 1.Dramatique Tongue Tie FIRST TIME, ************s FIRST TIME (Lay) 2.Force Twelve Tongue Tie OFF FIRST TIME (Lay) 4.Martelletto Blinkers OFF FIRST TIME, Noseroll FIRST TIME (no bet) 8.Are the Bungs In Blinkers FIRST TIME (Back) 12.Miss Eccles Blinkers FIRST TIME (Back) 16.Valtari Lugging Bit FIRST TIME, ************s FIRST TIME (Lay) Race 4 7.Bishops Castle Blinker Near side On OFF FIRST TIME, Bubble Cheeker Near Side On OFF FIRST TIME, Norton Bit FIRST TIME (Lay) Race 6 4.Zippa the Rippa Barrier Blanket FIRST TIME, Tongue Control Bit FIRST TIME, Tongue Tie OFF FIRST TIME, ************s OFF FIRST TIME (Lay) Race 8 1.Westsouthwest Nasal Strip FIRST TIME (Back) 15.Montoya Heights Nasal Strip OFF FIRST TIME (Lay) |
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Approach these only if favourite. Any favourite not listed, back: Favourite determined by Tattsbet fixed odds. Canterbury Race 1 Nissile Unplaced Race 2 Forever Loved WON $4.60 Race 3 7.Our Desert Warrior Gelded, Lugging Bit AGAIN, Norton Bit OFF FIRST TIME (Lay) WON (Accident) Race 4 Charge Missile WON $5.00 Race 5 Fast And Sexy WON $4.60 Race 6 Ecuador 2nd Race 7 5.That's a Good Idea Blinkers AGAIN (Back) WON $3.30 Sandown Hillside Race 1 Self Sense WON $2.20 Race 2 General Web 3rd Race 3 Are There Any WON $2.75 Race 4 Grane unplaced Race 5 Office Bearer WON $2.10 Race 6 April Rose unplaced Race 7 Don't Get Excited WON $2.30 Race 8 Te Karaka 3rd 14 selections 26.85 return 12.85 profit 91.78% POT Sorry for the late update, suffering from H.I. (Human Influenza). Will take me a few days to catch up on emails etc. |
Adding to the Stable of striders:
Bonne Nuit (nominated Saturday @ The Valley) Flash Of Doubt* (nominated Saturday @ The Valley) Forever Love* Danas Best* Gregers (Accepted Saturday R1 @ The Valley) Henwood Honorius Montgomery (nominated next Wednesday @ Sandown Lakeside) Octavia Pakal Photon Willie Puissance De Lune Rain Affair (Accepted Saturday R6 @ Warwick Farm) Recycle Prince That's A Good Idea* The stable has 15 horses in work, and will add to it until the stable is full of 20 striders to follow. |
Hey Chrome,
After watching some replays this morning, i was thinking that royal descent could be one to add to the stable striders. Ran first up in sydney yesterday, the winner hidden kisses was the fitter horse and held on only due to this fact, but i thought that royal descent was really striding out. Waller obviously has bigger plans for her and didnt have her wound up, but i did see something there that suggested she could be added. Let me know what you think. Cheers - tj |
Gregers WON @ $1.27 (BFSP NET)
Rain Affair 3rd I thought the way they rode Rain Affair he was doomed to fail, stuck out there in the lead and four wide like a granny's tooth, and then trying to pinch it all the way after a hard run. In my opinion, he's better off sitting off the speed and storming home, that's when his stride comes into play So far the "stable" has had six starts for three winners, one second placing, one third placing and earned $222,250 in prizemoney. Betting action is plus 3.19 units. 53.17% POT Adding to the Stable of striders: Bonne Nuit Cauthen* Elite Elle* Flash Of Doubt Forever Love Danas Best Gregers Henwood Honorius Montgomery Octavia Pakal Photon Willie Puissance De Lune Rain Affair Rebel Dane* Recycle Prince That's A Good Idea TJ - Royal Descent could certainly be one to follow, however didn't qualify to be added to the stable as there are a number of points the horse has to pass. Will keep an eye on the next few starts though, as I'm most likely wrong :( |
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