alternative data
 

dont mind paying after all always paid for cyberhose. will check

Virtual formguide is right, you pay your subscription and get no form.
Really think this is disgraceful conduct to tell people all will be good and it's just a server problem, when you know you're going under, and taking money after lodging liquidation intentions.
Most of us have been supporters for more than ten years, and to treat clients like that reflects the character of the people behind it.
A simple email apologising, because it's over and beyond his control, thanking subscribers for loyalty and issuing refunds for remainder of subscription would have been appropriate.

please mention away as i am also interested in what may be out there,

aussie

When a company is insolvent they should cease trading immediately that they become aware that they cannot pay their commitments. They cease or call in administrators. If it can be shown that they have continued to trade past this date (take subscriptions etc) then the directors position changes from being personally protected by companies laws, to a position of being personally liable for additional debts. This should make them personally liable in returning these subscriptions. The lists etc and programs and like are company property and the liquidator can overturn any dispersement of company assets within six months of becoming insolvent. Phoenix Rising

do you know if scraping the names off available sites e.g. tab lists is against any rules.

e.g. a program that downloads the horse names in each race only.

so that they can be put thru a black book data base for matching.

You can scrape horse names off almost any form site or TAB with relative ease, but i'm not sure why you'd want to do it for blackbook purposes. Most betting agencies allow you to mark black bookers on their site and you automatically get email notifications anyhow.

thanks. Automation is why. Run all the names in a race meeting at once through a data base and print out the matches.

I was talking to a former betfair person and he thought websites didnt like scraping and may actually change formats to stop it. cant see why it would be worthwhile doing that to foil punters.

The answer to your query is very simple, we all pay for data quantity.
I'm sure you are familiar with your own download limit?

If you access a website by Excel or other programmes you are using the data from that website. It all counts to their data limit.

This was the primary reason TabCorp changed their webpage.
The fact that the same result could have been achieved by simpler means never occurred to them, TAB never does anything simple if there is away to complicate it.

alphabetical list
 

all i need is an alphabetical list that appears or used to appear in the sportsman.

i notice that two websites in England have this facility but cant find one in australia.

paying a fee isnt a problem.

I get the prepost from a site with 2 in the middleTakes 2 minutes max. goes to one meeting and loads the races in order then the next meeting. Piece of cake. gathers all the data.

what is the site.? would like to have a look at it.

regards

Hi Topsy99

Could you send me an email please exandx at hotmail dot com.

Thanks

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resolved.
 

have had my program rewritten. can click an icon and the program via html goes into the internet picks up the next 6 days races ANZ and works my database/system and saves to html and brings the results up on screen .

no costs no work other than keeping the database up to date. the data base is stored on google drive now.


great result.

piggybacking ....shame the mods pulled my post a fortnight ago re: Neon Energy. Gunna be a multi-millionaire or destitute!

cybergorse zips
 

just wondering if anyone had collected the zip files from the last few years

when I was a member I collected 2008-April 2012

I am after the zips from May 2012 to when the site went down, f anyone has them and is willing to pass them on let me know
smithie958 at gmail ddot com

cheers

don't have the zips anymore but I have the form/horse/race files in similar format as Neil's but in Access not dbf can convert to Excel.
if any good let me know can send a sample.

thanks blackdog, if you can send an Excel sample that would be great... is May 2012 possible? to be sure I can use it (don't foresee why not)
cheers
smithie958 at gmail dot com

sent

re zips from 2012
 

i probably have them somewhere let me know if you want me to have a search for them

thanks topsy but blackdog already sorted me out :)

hey topsy, I am keen to get hold of these if you have them
I am after 1st May 2012 until they went down.. late November 2013
cheers

zip files
 

sorry havent been on for awhile. will gather up the ones you want and tell you when am ready to send.

topsy... it's ok
I subbed to bestform and got the missing data
thanks for your offer

Guys,

What are the chances of getting these files from 2012 through to current.

Would be greatley appreciated.

jbsplace at tpg dot com dot au

dude
get the free bet selector program
then subscribe for 1 month to bestform
you can get all the files back to 2008 and they are in excellent format
cheap, easy and perfect

Oi letsbet, you said cyber was online again, tried this morning several times out of curiosity but "Server not found"

No, they didn't miss out on my sub resumption.

it was there the last week... now gone again!

The Virtual Form Guide has Resurfaced
 

Received an email from "David" o'nite advising that he's putting the VFG back on line and that as a previous subscriber I'll be entitled to a discount. WOW!!! I'll let it run for a year or two and then reconsider.

i downloaded some files. the prefix has changed and they now unpack to tvx rather than form.

this means a change of programming. I will probably stay with my new program and it is free.

files
 

does jbsplace still want zip files.

I suppose the reasons for the downtime was due to ill health!

I received email as well. They can go without me.

You must be psychic Vortech. Email in part:-

As you are a former Virtual Form Guide subscriber we are pleased to advise that the service is back online.
Technical problems compounded by the proprietors ill health caused the Virtual Form Guide to be suspended a few months ago.

Enjay.

What is really silly, is that coming clean and say, sorry "we screwed-up we'll be back on line soon as we can", would've worked for me and many others I suppose.

"Ill health" oldest excuse in the books.

If you're running a business and want it to continue, "ill health" doesn't cut it anyway. Either get your employee(s) to run it or get someone in who can.

Perhaps the "ill health" was alzheimers - kept on forgetting to do the tax return

it will mean software changes for me as the horses\form folder will have changed to horses\tvx.

It's simply an attempt at coverup, anyone with knowledge of what actually happened realizes it's another attempt to save sinking ship.

These are the facts.

The company went into liquidation. I spoke personally with the liquidator in Melbourne and they advised the major creditor was the Australian Taxation Office whom I believe were owed in the vicinity of circa $180k.

The business assets and other IP was sold to a related party (see Corporations Act 2001 Cth.) if you want to know more about what that means. Essentially Bill Saunders who was the director was also connected with the purchaser. The sale proceeds was for the most part made up of an assumption of certain liabilities but not the ATO debt. Very little if any cash changed hands.

I am not aware whether or not the business has been since on sold to the new owners or whether they are the same that purchased the assets from the liquidator.

I reason I know this is simple. We were interested parties in purchasing some or all the assets.

Topsy would still like files if you have them.

May I ask what the new system you are talking about??? And it is free?

Cheers

From the "new" enterprise ......

"I have had to involve Bill Saunders in the new company as he developed
much of the software and knows the requirements of the old subscriber
base."

"We have no responsibility to refund previous subscribers"

"people have had about 6 weeks of free data already
which I think is an indication of our sincerity."