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kenchar 14th October 2004 12:06 AM

As stated in previous posts in relation to the dishlickers.

You CANNOT devise a system UNLESS you know the weight of the dog as compared to it's last start.

moeee 14th October 2004 09:40 AM

That's a ridiculous statement to make.
Cross out dishlicker and substitute chaffburner.
As far as forecasting the result of a race,how do you use this weight change?
Surely its value as a factor is miniscule.
A Big Mac for lunch and there's your up point two.
I weigh up to a kilo more or less every day.Weight variance is a normal thing.It's the abnormal occurences we need to predict.

kenchar 14th October 2004 12:06 PM

So that's a ridiculous statement, I had better inform the best dog man I have ever known that He doesn't know what He is talking about.
He bets only wenty park and ALWAYS goes to the track.
He will have 3 or 4 dogs picked out for the night.
The FIRST thing when he gets to the track is to check the weight of his selections.
If any of them are up or down a kilo from it's last run he eliminates it.
Oh by the way he comes out winning 95% of the time.

moeee 15th October 2004 12:55 PM

Might be the first thing he does when he gets to the track,but obviously it's the last thing he does when he assesses his selections.
Up or down a kilo is a huge difference for a dog.Obviously that sort of change would be cause for concern.Thought you were talking about the up .2 or down .2 that are common fluctuations.

kenchar 15th October 2004 05:25 PM

It's amazing what 2 tubs of margarine will do to a dog's performance in this start to it's last. :roll:

moeee 15th October 2004 06:34 PM

No it's never our poor analysis the reason for our picking a loser.It's always a tub or two of margerine.
I always thought the idea of entering a runner in a race was to win.Surely the best way not to win a race would be not to nominate in the first place?

kenchar 15th October 2004 07:23 PM

If they don't nominate there is nothing for the form students to study for the next start.
A good dog, a couple of starts with a belly full of marg, or blood drained out, puts in a couple of shockers.
Next start 15 or 20/1 and wins with a leg in the air.
NO drugs and nothing to show up post race, just that the dog is now the way IT should be.

moeee 16th October 2004 09:36 AM

Do you have any evidence of that occurring,or are you just talking out of your pocket.
Did it happen just the once,or do you believe it happens with monotonous regularity.
Is this the way you lead your life or is it the rest of us humans.

Mr. Logic 16th October 2004 09:51 AM

I know someone who has bet as a professional with great success for years. He employs a number of people to place bets for him to hide his betting from the bookies.

The dog also MUST BE AT ITS RIGHT RACING WEIGHT.

kenchar 16th October 2004 05:34 PM

No not talking thru my pocket as I very rarely bet the dogs.
ONLY if my friend gives me the occasional tip.
I spoke to him today and it's quite interesting as he also when assessing his selections looks for dogs that have run well 4 or 5 starts back and then put in the shockers.
He checks the weight of the dog in the shocker runs compared to when it was running well.
If on this night the dog's weight is it's correct racing weight he looks very hard at backing it.
Just remember it's all about money (for the owners and trainers). The prizemoney in dogs is very poor (except some major races), so how does one make it worthwhile, by backing the dog and at decent odds.
As far as the other things I mentioned they are nothing.
I wouldn't be game to post here what goes on behind the scenes with the dishlickers.


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