Hi CP,

Gotcha, they need to be meeting certain criteria before you add them. Agree here with Rain Affair, from memory, or thinking back through most of his runs, i can only remember once he has been ridden off the pace(maybe more, just cant remember), and he gathered them in fairly quickly, whether they were an ordinary bunch, or he missed the kick, or whatever, id like to see him ridden off the leaders. The trainer seems to think otherwise as he has been quoted often as saying he just wont settle when ridden patiently. Maybe a hugh bowman might suit the horse. If he ever did get that service, the horses stride you would almost definitely see come into play, because when he highball's it in front he sits at that high tempo cruising speed, and its a bit difficult to see the actual stride, so i think if he could settle, and then have the jock work him into it from the 600, you would see his stride once opened up start coming into play at the 400, which would probably see him gather them in at the 200 which would then pending on the others could see the jock get to the bottom of him.

A lot to like about Elite Elle, and saw her striding freely from the 400-200, when she put a couple on them, possibly the drop in class masked the win, but the stride was there to see.

Well done mate- keep it up.

Best TJ

Montgomery runs in The Australian Hurdle R2 Sandown tomorrow.

Yup. Someone already up on the rooftops?

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LG

Montgomery ran 2nd earning $19,000 for the stable.
Think the last jump cost him dearly as he he jumped it awkwardly.

So far the "stable" has had seven starts for three winners, two seconds, one third and earned $241,250 in prizemoney.
Betting action is plus 2.19 units. 31.29% POT

Adding to the Stable of striders:
Bonne Nuit
Cauthen
Elite Elle
Flash Of Doubt
Forever Love
Danas Best
Gregers
Henwood
Honorius
Montgomery
Octavia
Pakal
Photon Willie
Puissance De Lune
Rain Affair
Rebel Dane
Recycle Prince
Surpass*
That's A Good Idea

Just one shy of the full stable to follow

You might need an extension to this stable of yours, out back of castle. Do you think it might be an idea to back them until they win then book then in for a 'spell'?

LG

LG, I might miss out on the repeat winners then!
I've identified these horses as being able to maintain good stride rather than a glimpse of a stride. Ergo, I think that this stable contains some very good Group horses. The value is generally not in the next run, as every man and his dog are clambering to get on, but rather the next few runs after I notice.

From a punting perspective still in slight profit, but from an owning, training perspective picked up nearly $250k in prizemoney by picking horses with good stride only in less than a month.

So I'm very happy with the way it's going.

Drawing up the plans for extension as we speak ;)

I see surpass added, didn't that horse extend today, he made them look like maidens and they weren't the worst bunch.

Surpass really was the run of the day TJ. Nice long stride, gathered them in like they were standing still, and maintained that stride right to the line.
I've got a few on the list, I can't wait to see in action again.

Makes you wonder if this might be an exotic offering in the future? i.e. you buy a 'share' in a horse(its winnings) for a given race or carnival and share digitally in the 'prizemoney' it wins OR perhaps in the actual underlying winnings on the track less a share of the overheads in getting it the barrier? It would be like buying into an OTC derivative which yields a cash return based on the outcome of an event in the real world.

It's about time the corporates came up with something a little more innovative to make them stand out from the crowded market online and/or tote - something a little more exciting than features like 'protest payouts' and naming your own odds. Both have their merits but neither particularly spins my fun dials!

LG

Yep, and based on what you have said and reading between the lines a bit, i would think one of your selection criteria is that the horse needs to sustain a run of approx 400 m to meet a selection, or be displaying its stride for a sustained amount of time, be it 2 furlongs or even less but maybe right through to the line.

And yes my thoughts exactly, 100% the run of the day.

Best tj

You're spot on tayjack, that's the difference between a good strider only and a potential champion.

Chrome forgive me being somewhat quizzical with your results to date. Do you find that these 'strider types' are often placed or just beaten ie close 2nd OR is it more like they either romp home blitzing the opposition in the straight or finish well back.

All or nothing or mostly thereabouts the winnng post within x lengths(strides?)

Cheers LG

LG, the only one of those listed that are rejected are those that "finish well back".
However, I can't really put it into a statistical formula, it's more like when I see it, it hits me, it stands out. I might watch 16 races and only one or two will stand out.
The first thing I look for is stride length, then abiility to maintain that stride length for a period, and then the actual speed.

http://www.racingnetwork.com.au/Vis...mediaid=1016966

Here is Surpass, watch the race a couple of times, watch how he drifts back shuffled all the way back to third last, and then he makes a slow move, but when the jockey asks for an effort, he unleashes a withering stride and maintains it right to the judge and finishes off running three times the speed of anything else in the race.

It never looked like it was going to even come in a place eh? First time I looked at the replay I kept checking to see if I was following the right horse!Then a couple of cracks (+1) and we are talking turbo-drive. Must have had oodles left in the tank back there to produce such a withering burst?

I noted the long striding back legs ending up where the front set were and the head leading as I think you have pointed out on several occasions now. Jockey timed it nicely too - makes you wonder if some hoops are particularly good with striders e.g. timing of the run to conserve the massive gas tank then a couple of bangs on the turbo column shift and away we go onto the winning post.

Excuse the petrol-head analogies above but I think I am starting to get the drift here - much better to put some reasoning behind a run home like that rather than watch your own pick mowed down by a laser beam and not know what the *%$* just happened.

LG

PS will take a second look now

Ignore this post - it be a brain fade by M'Lud which was to blame.

LG

Other things I noticed on 2nd replay...

1. I think I was on Tough Vintage(and Love if Liberty) in that race LOL
2. It's back legs didn't follow through as far as did those of Surpass, much shorter length of stride
3. Surpass legs seem to move much faster than the others in the run home - a bit like looking at car wheel spokes through window of another car= almost flashing backwards!
4. The caller only just picked up the turbo run home - was almost beginning to call mendevil home as the winner i.e. could hear it in his voice so must have been caught unawares as to express train coming thru on outside.

Interesting exercise, thanks mate.

LG

That's one of they key indicators LG, I always look for the hind legs filling the spaces left by the fore legs without over reaching.

You might find this interesting:

http://youtu.be/scZbaTTAbCM

The horse in question is Mark Johnston's Street Artist by Street Cry.
Although it's an amazing video and the horse shows excellent stride length, immediately I picked up on his lazy far side leg and he is overreaching, so his full power is not being transformed into speed / distance.
Because of his unbalanced stride he stands a high risk of injury.

So I looked him up on Timeform and he's had six starts for no wins, but 3 seconds and a third placing. His latest runs, he's been unplaced and only earned 3,465 pounds.

Such wonderful breeding, looks, stride, yet he has his gait problems.

Short strider Altius goes around again in Race 3 at Rosehill Saturday.
The horse can win if he gets the right split and the right pace, but he doesn't have the stride to be versatile enough to adapt to adverse conditions.
I'll be laying him again, because he should go around second favourite for some odd reason.

Onto the striders:

Bonne Nuit R7 Caulfield
Flash Of Doubt R2 Caulfield
Danas Best R4 Rosehill
Honorius R8 Rosehill
Pakal R7 Caulfield

Plenty of action Saturday.

Chris Waller says "Altius can blow them away this week".
I'm not so sure ;)

From what i have seen too, I could not be putting any hard earned on the horse. It has had plenty of chances to clean up lesser fields than this one on Saturday??? But who I am to question probably the most astute trainer in the business.........

Feel the same way TJ, either I'm going to look like some sort of guru, or very silly indeed :(
However, I maintain that at the expected odds, Altius is absolutely no value at all, even if he manages to poke his very expensive nose through at the right time.
Having said all that, if he wins, he won't be winning anything better.
However, I'll probably be one of the first in line when he goes to stud :)

I did find that very interesting Chrome - the things you don't see if (a) you aren't looking or (b) don't know what to look for. On another note, can you confirm your thoughts on this gear change: Noseroll First Time

Cheers LG

The noseroll has a similar effect to blinkers, ************s, cheekpieces etc. It is a big plus. They are used to make the horse concentrate on where he is going rather than stargazing. He needs to concentrate and look over the nose roll at the ground in front. Especially good for ungelded stallions who put their mind elsewhere at this time of year ;)

Thanks mate. That is incredibly helpful detail.

Cheers LG

I am pretty sure it helps them carry there head at a better angle for racing, and stops them throwing their head up as you point out also, for what it's worth I love to see a horse striding out with no gear at all, they look an awesome thing!!

Best TJ

If only they had fitted a bit of kit to me i.e. before the onslaught of progeny.

LG

:D :D :D

Certainly does that too TJ, in fact I use a shadow roll when teaching young horses how to arch their neck, rather than pulling on the neck with side reins.
Far kinder on any horse.

Altius, still carries a lot of money, and I can't fathom it.
He almost started Betfair favourite!
Another laclustre run, and Chris Waller must be delusional if he thought he ever had any chance of "blowing them away".

I had a very nice lay bet on him, so can't complain, but it leaves me wondering, what about the owners, what about the punters, why is this money going on every start?

Completely baffled.

Apples did the business, I see?

Cheers LG

Bonne Nuit R7 Caulfield unplaced
Flash Of Doubt R2 Caulfield unplaced
Danas Best R4 Rosehill WON $3.28 (BFSP Net)
Honorius R8 Rosehill unplaced
Pakal R7 Caulfield 3rd

So far the "stable" has had twelve starts for four winners, two seconds, two third and earned $300,800 in prizemoney.
Betting action is plus 0.47 units. 3.92% POT

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Seriously, what an awful ride by the jock on this one, the horse jumped with them, travelled through the first 200 running 5/6th, then he snags back over 1000, then left climbing all over them after turning into the straight 3rd last. Why he had to snag back so far was beyond me. The 18's on offer was a good bet after the dominant win at sandown, only to be absolutely slaughtered by an apprentice. Couldnt believe my eyes when he did that, it was like he had a brain snap. <label for="rb_iconid_8"></label>
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As for altius, how could that horse of started 1st or 2nd fav after the efforts it has produced this time in. Nice lay chrome, and probably lay of the day. He just cant go in the straight, or even build into an even tempo and quicken for that matter.

Best TJ

Agree with both points TJ.
As for Altius, his one and only chance of winning was a ******** for leather pace and getting a split at the right time. Unfortunately they ran it at a dawdle and he was never a chance. There's a win for him somewhere someday, I feel desperately sorry for his connections. Especially when the trainer is making optimistic predictions.

Yeah dawdle they did, im still not sure where waller places him to get that win, maybe he conders placing him back at the midweek somewhere to get some confidence.

Best tj

Here's a big call....Chris Waller is too successful to give Altius the attention he needs and deserves. With every failing run, he is costing his owners big money in training fees, stud fees and acceptance fees. Waller is so successful now, that he has big strings of successful horses to attend to.
Altius obviously needs to be "broke down" and built up again. He's got loads of ability, but needs to be trained differently.
He has no early speed, a short stride and a bad action (hence his injury).
Either they do something now, or they should retire him, he's bleeding money out of his stud value like a sieve.
Their only hope is to take him away from Waller, who is telling bedtime stories, and send him to someone who will nuture and work on the horse, not just keep him fit.
He needs to go over the jumps in training to sharpen him up and try to lengthen his stride. They need to work on his sprint, and they need to give the horse confidence, like set him for a nice midweeker as TJ suggested.

The best bred horses, are often the most expensive duds because people remain confident when they would have given up long ago.
And big trainers will keep stringing along clients for training fees rather than the right prospects for the horse :mad:

Fairly obvious of course, but the best strider from Saturday was Atlantic Jewel:

Atlantic Jewel*
Bonne Nuit
Cauthen
Elite Elle
Flash Of Doubt
Forever Love
Danas Best
Gregers
Henwood
Honorius
Montgomery
Octavia
Pakal
Photon Willie
Puissance De Lune
Rain Affair
Rebel Dane
Recycle Prince
Surpass
That's A Good Idea

This rounds out the stable of 20 striders to follow for demonstration purposes

So far the "stable" has had twelve starts for four winners, two seconds, two thirds and earned $300,800 in prizemoney.
Betting action is plus 0.47 units. 3.92% POT

I've criticised Chris Waller previously on his handling of Altius.
Not just the handling of Altius, but the feedback given regarding the horse's prospects. It's very difficult when you run a large successful team of Group performers. Clearly Chris has the talent and the bloodstock to be so successful.
I think the problem is he doesn't have the time to devote to Altius, as there are much better horses in his stable with better prospects.

Danielle from CWR (Chris Waller Racing) has been taking Hawkspur to dressage training. Hawkspur wears a lot of gear to dressage. Side reins attached to the saddle, what appears to be a snaffle ringbit (could be wrong).
Hawkspur is nominated for a lot of big Spring races and the dressage training could be to calmn the gelding down a bit.

Perhaps Danielle could take Altius out to do some basic dressage but more importantly work on his gait and stride. Sure there is the risk of repeat injury, especially if schooling over jumps, but they are wasting their time and owners money unless this horse can win a Group race to improve his stud value. I don't see him winning any Group races, except by pure luck where the pace hands it to him on a platter.

Chris says "Altius will probably go to the Cameron Handicap for his next start and if he was to win that race, we would be kicking ourselves if he wasn't nominated for the Epsom."

So the Cameron Handicap and Epsom are his targets, better pray for a cracking pace, or the horse has no hope at all :(