Tom Waterhouse's mob not playing ball apparently -

Richard Irvine
‏@riracing
Hill's now quoting me unders. Tom's first big move as CEO; to defy regulators & refuse to allow any punters to win. Interesting times ahead.

& I see this comment on the TW website -

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I thought the new NSW reg's were supposed to prevent these ********ers from doing exactly that & the price you see is the price you get...

Racing NSW are well aware of what they're doing now - I just spoke to them over the phone.

Take On Tom - lol

If They Allow - lol

Tom Waterhouse A Tease...

Interestingly I have heard today that these pommy & irish invaders didnt bring these 'limiting/closing' practices with them - once they got here they began to follow the lead of a local corp who's name may or may not have been mentioned in recent posts...

On another note, how good is Sportsbet (at the moment). Never thought I'd say that.

Pat whilst i'm not banned anywhere, are the odds they are offering the same as if you were not previously a banned member with sportsbet?

Limiting and banning aside, i've always found Sportsbet to be good to deal with in terms of any account issues, getting free bets, having errors fixed, ease of website use etc etc.

The odds are the same yep. I haven't seen a decrease in value of odds and they've put it on the record they won't tier accounts like the william hill ********bags.

Who am I?
I claim to be one of the biggest bookies in the world.
Yes I do give opening bonuses.
I claim to bet top odds.
I have banned many punters.
I have agreed to bet to NSW rules.
To get around this I will say "sorry the odds have changed" when you try to place a bet and not let you on for anything.
I will do this every time you try to place a bet.
Who am I?

TOM WATERHOUSE?

The correct answer is of course...take your pick.
ps have never been banned by Tom because he's always unders.

TW refusing to follow RNSW bet limits etc, so off to court they go.

Are they actually going to court??

What other option would they have if they want to keep their licence?

Richard irvine said they are taking rnsw to court so they can continue to offer different odds to different customers. Richard said this could really backfire.

He's right, it could implode!
Potentially unfair trading practices.
ACCC could get involved.

For those interested, have just had a chat with Pinnacle.
Looks like they are going to be up and running not until Carnival time, so late October.

"We will be offering racing product soon, we are targeting this before the carnival season"

Given that no date was given, simply Carnival time, I'd suggest they have no idea of an actual launch date as yet.

ACCC should have been involved yonks ago, toothless tiger that lot.


& as discussed elsewhere, a ruling in RNSW favour will/should be the stepping stone for these regulations to be adopted nationwide so bring the court action on I say.

William Hill are playing a dangerous game here & I hope they get royally shafted. If they have to pack up & go back to where they came from, I hope they take TW with them & good riddance to bad rubbish.

The ACCC wont get involved unless a complaint is laid.

Plenty of complaints were made DD & nothing done.

Were they to the ACCC Though.?

The only thing the ACCC will do is thank you for your complaint and refer you to Beyondblue and Lifeline!

I'm talking from experience. They're not a toothless tiger, just an under resourced one, with plenty of complaints to sort through, like carbon tax, bank charges, etc. Punters are low on the priority list, just seen as gamblers and deserve what they get! .....Not my viewpoint, but one shared by many, as gambling isn't seen as an 'honest' living. Ever noticed at a party, when someone asks, what you do for a living? "Yeah, I'm a gambler"......("whisper, whisper....one of those desperate types" snicker, snicker)

Nowaday's, I just say,"I'm unemployed!"

I say I'm a 'turf accountant, room for a pony!'

Agree 100%.

But imagine how the problem sounds to an outsider... "waah, I want to get rich without working, and those bookies aren't helping me. The government should force them go broke so that I can get rich!"

I just say that I am retired. Which is true - this is just one of my hobbies. :)

They have been ready to go for ages. The owner is being held up by other parties taking their sweet time. He didn't specify who but he mentioned "red tape".

I have a feeling that red tape is going to be far more complicated than they anticipate.

An open letter to Bet365.

Dear bet365

You were right to limit my place bets on $10 chances to $4.30 & $3.87, as I must be some sort of punting genius (can't see it myself), although how you came to those amounts is beyond me. Even though they were both unplaced and you would have profited times 10 what you did, you are living up to your hype of being one of the biggest bookies in the world. But limiting my next bet to 80c is surely a bad joke. No, indeed it is you that are the joke. Get out of the game before you embarrass yourself further.

PS I rang my 12yo nephew who let me on for the rest of the bet. I now owe him $18.20. Rumour is he split it with his 9yo brother.

LUXBET and TAB still outright refusing $5 bets @ 1.10
 

LUXBET and TAB still outright refusing $5 fixed odds bets @ 1.10

They are fully not complying.

lol, good one Mark

Courage knows no bounds, just ask any corporate bookmaker;)

I don't get it?

I normally never listen to the races, just watch mute, so I'm not influenced by any hype. After I reached my target for the day I switched the volume on and listened to, "...so many thousand this and so many thousand that" wagered on TAB.com.....You blokes are telling me you can't get 5 bucks on....like I said, "I don't get it?"

Somebody must be wagering BIG, to get the pool sizes they're showing, they can't all be sub $5 bets? Are all these big wager's, novice first time bettors, with no prior betting pattern revealed?.....I don't think so?

I guess what I'm leading too here is, if someone was to take the TAB/Bookies to task over bet refusal, they'll just show all these big bets that they have taken. Dunno? You'll never beat them!

It's called a furphy.
Look it up on Wikipedia.
NOBODY is allowed on for those amounts, they are a lure to get the mugs to follow suit.
Simples.

There are plenty of losing punters that can't get $100 on anything with the corporates.

Furphy:...an erroneous or improbable story.

Mmmh.......?

Something like this perhaps, sums it up, an extract from a 2013 post I came across:

"....Maureen asked me the other day about these "big bets" that are spruiked by the likes of sportingbet etc. who are these people that are "allowed" to place these types of bets?? wish i had an answer for her!!."

TAB will let a losing account on for thousands, so long as they don't profile as an arber.

My feeling with all this is....
Do you honestly believe that if people were "really" putting $5000 - $10000 on a horse be posting and whinging about it not being accepted on here.

Methinks their Drxxxxxg.

Not on Fixed Odds, which they are spruiking, you can have much as you like in the tote pool.

I've heard differently, and that leaked powerpoint at the start of the year implied otherwise. It's difficult to prove either way.

I don't know? I'm not welcome on LxBet which is the fixed arm of tab but I can put as much as I like on the tote.
Of course my bets are in the hundreds not thousands so that maybe the reason I have no problem?

Can't see any reason why they would not except any amount on the tote?
Makes no sense, it's after all a totalizator agency the more you bet the more they earn with 0 risk to them. Different with the fixed odds a smart punter can really hurt them.

Sorry I wasn't clear, I was referring to fixed odds at TAB. I was saying that TAB will let losing accounts placed fixed odds bets in the thousands, so long as you don't profile as a winner (arbing, betting on firmers, etc). No hard evidence, just anecdotal stuff that I've been told. Those "big bets" that they publish don't sound fake to me.

Yeah they don't restrict betting into the tote pools, just fixed odds.