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Neil 5th April 2016 08:34 PM

Interesting top weight betting system
 
Here is an interesting way of selectively betting top weighted horses in handicaps.

1. This betting system operates on metropolitan meetings in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Adelaide on Saturdays.

2. The horse must be top weight in a handicap. So eliminate weight for age races, classic races, set weight races and set weight with penalties races.

3. The horse must have won over the track and distance.

4. It must have finished 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th. at its last run within the last 28 days.

That's it.

I checked last Saturday's Doomben races.

There were two bets:

Spot The Diff 1st. $2.35
Casual Choice 1st. $7.00

Neil 15th April 2016 05:43 PM

Here are Saturday's selections.

Caulfield
8/1 Charmed Harmony

Morphettville
1/1 Excites Zelady
4/1 Beautiful Flyer

Neil 22nd April 2016 12:40 PM

Selection for Saturday, 23rd. April.

Morphettville
3/1 Silent Whisper

Sands 24th November 2016 10:32 PM

Moonee Valley, 26 Nov, R3 Estaminet

Sands 25th November 2016 12:01 PM

Morphettville, 26 Nov, R5 Casino Wizard

Every Topic 25th November 2016 01:58 PM

I have a top weight system but differs from what you have identified.
It hums along and always surprises me that it picks so many big price winners.
It is based on the simple idea that the handicapper knows a lot more about horse racing than I ever will.

And yes I use a few filters but these mainly relate to states and tracks as I have indicated before. It also filters out my voodoo tracks.

kiwiz 4th December 2016 05:18 AM

Star Exhibit would have qualified if Ascot included,,won,,26 Nov

Sands 9th December 2016 01:59 PM

Canterbury, 9 Dec, R2 Black On Gold

Sands 9th December 2016 07:13 PM

Rosehill, 10 Dec, R4 Alart

Sands 15th December 2016 08:05 AM

Morphettville, 17 Dec, R3 Pepper the Pin

midas 18th December 2016 07:17 PM

Hi BD1

Any paper race form explains the meaning of the terms t,d,and c, I think, quite clearly.

FLE 81 won $6.00

My last word on this subject so you can relax.

Midas

UselessBettor 18th December 2016 07:37 PM

Quote:
Any paper race form explains the meaning of the terms t,d,and c, I think, quite clearly.


Its pretty simple and standard everywhere.

D= won at this distance at another track
T= won at this track but at a different distance
C= won at this track at this distance.
W= won on a wet track (any distance, any track).

You can have horses which show DTCW. or any combination of those 4 letters.

Sands 19th December 2016 10:57 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by UselessBettor
C= won at this track at this distance.

That's the way I'm reading it

Sands 27th December 2016 10:05 AM

Kenjorwood (Caulfield) looks to be the only qualifier yesterday
Winner R7

Sands 17th January 2017 06:55 PM

Doomben, 18 Jan, R6 Sentimental Prince

dcpg 18th January 2017 04:29 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sands
Doomben, 18 Jan, R6 Sentimental Prince


Good win here, got through at the right time and kicked away.

Sands 28th January 2017 01:43 AM

Ascot, 28 Jan, R2 Dainty Tess

dcpg 28th January 2017 04:32 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sands
Ascot, 28 Jan, R2 Dainty Tess


Held on to win here. You're doing well with the picks.

kiwiz 7th March 2017 05:42 AM

Counter Pulse
Karacatis
Both winners Morphettville Saturday

Sands 9th March 2017 11:25 PM

Flemington, 11 Mar, R7 Terravista

kiwiz 10th March 2017 12:11 PM

And another
Rosehill R2 Dothraki

kiwiz 17th March 2017 05:05 AM

Rosehill R1 Allergic

kiwiz 19th May 2017 09:02 AM

Delicate Miss looks like a qualifier
R3 Ascot Saturday

Sands 8th June 2017 10:41 PM

Flemington, 10 June, R4 De Little Engine

Sands 12th June 2017 10:09 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sands
Flemington, 10 June, R4 De Little Engine

Alas, scratched. Did look a strong chance.

byanose 12th June 2017 11:59 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sands
Alas, scratched. Did look a strong chance.

wonder why?
the money was coming for De Little Engine to make it a hat-trick of wins at Flemington

rhino82 13th June 2017 10:08 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by byanose
wonder why?
the money was coming for De Little Engine to make it a hat-trick of wins at Flemington

Ben Thompson was wondering as well
Was to be one of his best rides
Still, one door closes another door opens
Got the late ride on Falago in the same race
Got the bickies 20/1

Sands 8th July 2017 08:01 AM

Belmont, 8 July, R5 Rosewood Hill

Sands 14th July 2017 10:36 PM

Caulfield, 15 July, R4 Kiwia

beberrycareful 8th August 2017 08:15 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Every Topic
I have a top weight system but differs from what you have identified.
It hums along and always surprises me that it picks so many big price winners.
It is based on the simple idea that the handicapper knows a lot more about horse racing than I ever will.

And yes I use a few filters but these mainly relate to states and tracks as I have indicated before. It also filters out my voodoo tracks.

have always wondered if the strike-rate for top weights is lower on wet tracks as compared to dry?

UselessBettor 8th August 2017 08:33 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by beberrycareful
have always wondered if the strike-rate for top weights is lower on wet tracks as compared to dry?


well wonder no more :

Good Tracks: Loss of 2.2% and 14.98% Strike Rate (16515 selections)
Wet Tracks : Profit of 5.8% and 14.81% Strike Rate (7379 selections)

Used Aus tracks only as Wet is very different in different countries.

So there you go top weights in the wet actually produce a profit because like you most people percieve the wet track hurts them but in reality its only a 0.2% difference of 1 - 2 horses per 1000 top weights which lose compared to the dry tracks.

But hey keep it a secret ... don't want others knowing these important stats.

Betfair SP prices used for analysis.

kiwiz 2nd September 2017 05:54 AM

Temps Voleur looks like a qualifier
R3 Morphettville today

kiwiz 16th September 2017 06:05 AM

Jetoomy looks like a qualifier
R8 Belmont today
Same meeting,,Atlanta Blue,,equal topweight

kiwiz 16th September 2017 06:10 AM

Royal Symphony looks like a qualifier
R2 Flemington today

kiwiz 16th September 2017 06:13 AM

I Am a Star looks like a qualifier
R6 Flemington today

kiwiz 16th September 2017 06:20 AM

Almandin looks like a qualifier
R8 Flemington today

kiwiz 21st September 2017 07:07 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwiz
Almandin looks like a qualifier
R8 Flemington today

Winner,,Jetoomy (Perth) also won
And some others,,but weren't handicaps

kiwiz 24th September 2017 04:14 AM

Winner,,Cashed (Adelaide)

kiwiz 28th November 2017 06:06 AM

Bay Road,,winner Morphettville Sat,,looks like he qualified

reinz 27th December 2017 08:04 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil
2. The horse must be top weight in a handicap. So eliminate weight for age races, classic races, set weight races and set weight with penalties races.

3. The horse must have won over the track and distance.

4. It must have finished 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th. at its last run within the last 28 days.


Showing a profit with a similar system but I don't bet those drawn middle to outside barriers on tracks better than dead


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