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Mike367 10th November 2017 06:19 PM

dutching for a place
 
Place dutching, is it possible? Is there a calculator available? Has anyone any experience with dutching for a place?

I assume the maths would be quite involved, with different field sizes and some countries offering 4 place getters. Betfair also has the option of 4 place results on certain races.

But if we opt for the standard (in Aust) 3 place dividends.......anyone?

Mike.

UselessBettor 10th November 2017 09:30 PM

I have never thought about it. Its an interesting idea.

Can you expand on what you are thinking?

Dutching for 1 place is easy as the math is the same as the dutching for a win.

Dutching for X placings is a little more complex but I think I could work it out.

Give me an example of what your thinking and I'll see what I can come up with.

Mark 11th November 2017 08:46 AM

Been doing it for years...as a layer.
Not as complicated as people make out.
No calculator needed.

Mike367 11th November 2017 10:15 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by UselessBettor
I have never thought about it. Its an interesting idea.

Can you expand on what you are thinking?

Dutching for 1 place is easy as the math is the same as the dutching for a win.

Dutching for X placings is a little more complex but I think I could work it out.

Give me an example of what your thinking and I'll see what I can come up with.

Hi UB

I was thinking of taking the same 3 or 4 selections I'd dutch for the win, but instead dutching for 2 of them to place.

Placing just one of them would give lower returns but a higher strike rate.

So, 2 to 3 selections for one of them to run a place, (as you say it's same as dutching for a win)
And 3 to 5 selections to run two places.

Cheers,

Mike.

Mike367 11th November 2017 10:24 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Been doing it for years...as a layer.
Not as complicated as people make out.
No calculator needed.


Hi Mark, how many selections would you lay per race, or is it dependent on the odds?


Mike

Mike367 11th November 2017 10:51 AM

[QUOTE=Mike367]Hi UB



So, 2 to 3 selections for one of them to run a place, (as you say it's same as dutching for a win)



Actually it seems its not the same as dutching the win as the are 3 chances to place as opposed to 1 to win. That would alter the calculations and the top 3 chances are often less than $2 to place. This gives a negative result when using the dutch to win calculator.

thorns 11th November 2017 11:25 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike367
Hi Mark, how many selections would you lay per race, or is it dependent on the odds?


Mike
pretty certain the answer to that will be "I lay them all"

Mark 11th November 2017 11:53 AM

Thorns knows me (and himself) too well.

blackdog1 15th November 2017 02:23 AM

I'm not a layer but I agree, dutchingr for place is not a viable idea due to odds. I often back two dogs for a place but hey have to be $3 and over.

Mike367 15th November 2017 05:34 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark
Thorns knows me (and himself) too well.


Hi Mark, you lay the field? Dogs?
Thorns you too?

When laying the field do you lay to a liability? Or are there selected races where you lay level stakes? Or maybe dutch lay the field, if thats possible?

A couple of pointers would be much appreciated.

Cheers,
Mike.


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