Finally the penny has dropped and I now realize you were right on the money Shaun. You actually have to be blind drunk to see the system, so today I'm well on my way to visualisation. Roll on this evening.

Seriously Odes some of us (like me for instance) are very new to this dishlicker game and are struggling to se it.

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