G'day again Mr. Barry well ok, In can see that what you, said about leading the horse etc etc. holds DEFINITELY true.

On my part I tried to get you to see that ANY staking plan is really only increasing stakes, .... you refuse to see it, in other words you refuse to drink!

As a last word, I know you are wrong about 1 thing, that is that I haven't learnt anything in 48 years, cos one thing that we seen over, over, over again on this forum is the MILLION DOLLAR ideas that have "ALL" shrunk into oblivion, now I know you will only take that as a knock, when all darky, me, etc were trying to do in the first place is give you a helping hand.

Mr Barry, these are the facts for a place bettor long term (and I'm talking about 20,000 bets up) 4% Profit on turnover LEVEL STAKES, is the ultimate, for win betting, the absolute BEST in the country would make 8-10% POT. Even Betfair is happy with 5%, most of the opinion bookies I suspect would be happy with 10%, gee even the ************ tote only makes 15% gross!

Even ************ CROWN casino is ecstatic with 2% (about)

But if Mr Barry can beat all that GREAT, you will have a great sailing future on something that rivals Gregs "canoe"


Just as an explanation, what we mean by POT (profit on turnover) is the % profit on all bets, i.e say on your staking plan you have a TOTAL stakes of $100,000 (ALL BETS ADDED UP) and you have shown a profit of $5,000 so you have a POT of 5%. (thats just for those that don't know)

Now I would never expect that you would reveal the golden goose to the likes of us at ANY price , (now that would be the act of an absolute nutter)

But, just to humour, if you can post b4 the races as you have been doing (credit where its due) and show a level stakes profit, over say a modest 1000 bets I will eat humble pie till I throw up!

Because NO-ONE has ever managed not even 10% of THAT.

You have a challenge!

PS are you a Kiwi?(Maori)?