Stugs, I agree that some great overs can be had on BF and I'm sure with a lot of study a quid could be made just from that, the problem I've always had is getting on. I'm not a massive backer by any means but very often I can't get $50 on. Conversely I've always found BF to progressively better with odds say from around $6 and up and progressively worse than Top Tote $6 down. And at the lower end the place is a joke, I'd be interested if others find the same?