BJ, as moeee stated, I have NEVER said you can't win at gambling. I also NEVER said that you can't win at roulette. You can win at both, and you can (more importantly) gain an edge at both.

Winning while gambling is a given. It's just that without an edge, you are very likely to lose more than you win.

You are confusing win with having an edge. Anyone can win at gambling. I play a hand of BJ, and dealer busts. I win!!! But does that mean I can keep winning? No. To do that, you either have to be extremely lucky or have an edge.

To win at roulette longterm, you need an edge. What I'm arguing is that you can't get an edge based on something like a betting system. There are other ways to win, and I have stated what they are.

"They are designed so the punters lose. This doesn't mean however, that all punters lose."

That is what I argued above. Most will lose, some will win. However, the longer those winners play, the greater the effect the odds will have, and most of those winners will lose.

"He says this and that and everyone just bows down and accepts it"

No, this forum has plenty of arguements, they're just normally constructive (unlike this one).

"Roulette provides the best odds of all gambling, so if you cannot beat roulette, you cannot win at gambling...."

Roulette does not provide the best odds at all. Blackjack is generally where people will get the best odds, with an average house edge of 0.5 to 0.6% in Aus. This is playing Basic Strategy.

However, you can get even better odds (enough to give you an edge, and turn the table of the bookies and casinos). You do this by using a method of advantage play. This includes card counting, cheating, roulette prediction computer, handicapping (analyzing for racing & sports), sharpshooting (craps), video poker, poker etc etc.

If there is a way to gamble, there is probally a way to beat it. It's just that most people don't know what it takes.

BJ, I'm arguing strongly here because I know for a fact that betting systems do not provide an advantage, and so gamblers are unlikely to profit longterm.

If people are profiting at roulette, then good for them. I'm just making them aware that they don't have an edge, and gambling without an edge almost always leads to losing.