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Old 17th January 2018, 02:11 PM
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Default Laying Multiple Runners In Different Markets

I have been thinking a about some old ideas that have been talked about before on here.

One idea is Laying a runner in the win market, then Laying a runner in the place market.

Say we take a runner in the place market paying $4.00 and we lay it to payout $100 that's a lay of $25.00

Then in the win market we lay the fav paying say $3.00 and we lay it for liability of $25.00 that's a lay of $12.50

If they both lose we collect $37.50
If fav wins but place lose we break even
If Fav lose and place win we lose $62.50
If both win we lose $100

None of this includes commission so the break even would actually be a loss of commission unless you worked that in to your fav lay bet, say lay it for 90% of the value should cover it.

any thoughts on this idea?
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Old 17th January 2018, 05:52 PM
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I've looked at this sort of thing numerous times and unless you have a win system that has an edge and a place system that has an edge it won't work.

One reason this would not work is the place and win markets are different markets and therefore if you won in one market and not the other the loss would not offset the commission even though you lost overall.

A few people have looked at the following as well:

- Exactas
- Quinellas
- Trifectas
- First Four
- Quadrellas

Now when it comes to exotics it can work. But its not simple.
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Old 18th January 2018, 12:03 AM
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Commission is an issue and i wouldn't know how this would effect things unless i tried it, i am looking more at the percentage side of things, favs only win about 30% of races, i wonder if anyone would have the figures for say horses in the $4-$5 place price range running a place.
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Old 18th January 2018, 12:59 PM
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If they both lose we collect $37.50
If fav wins but place lose we break even
If Fav lose and place win we lose $62.50
If both win we lose $100

any thoughts on this idea?


Shaun, in your example you have 4 possible results, 3 of which (due to commission) are losers. Not an ideal situation.
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Old 21st January 2018, 08:51 AM
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Here is a strategy that works well on its given day.

Target races that only pay 2 place divs eg. 7 runners & less.

Place lay the 2 favs.
But only if they are both $1.90 & less in place market.

It is rare that both run the first 2 placing together, most days.

Being odds on, you will profit if only one gets up .
Small loss if both get up.
Good profit if both fall over.

Its best to bet flat stakes when laying odds on shots.
Rather than to price.
To avoid increasing your liability dramatically.
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