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Old 10th May 2018, 05:41 PM
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HI Demodocus

Yes, The searchable database has shown a lot of our old mechanical systems do not continue to win over time. But there were METHODS that did quite well in the past.. Reme Plante [the first book that disected handicap racing, possibly a collectors item now]...Don Scott.....Domonic Berne ...and MAYBE some systems...but as the market became more sophisticated things change.
But let me be the Devil's Advocate, and suggest that with these new powerful tools able to accept the present challenges, there may be some
systems out there which may fulfil our old hopes.
This is a systems thread after all.
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Old 10th May 2018, 07:11 PM
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You've implied that there were more longshots getting up in the older days. Have you got any proof? Given the percentage of favourites winning hasn't changed I doubt the percentage of longshots winning hasn't changed either.

If you've got anything contrary to that I'd love to see it.


I think back 10 years ago you were able to apply basic variables to generate a rated price for a horse which was missed by the general public and providing opportunities for long shots to those that did the research.

These days you need to dig further into what variables affect the chances of a horse which isn't taken into consideration by others.
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Old 14th May 2018, 12:00 PM
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Peter M
The Golden Key was a system sold by Equestrian Publishing through the Practical Punting Magazine in 2008.
Maybe you should contact them re copy..

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Old 14th May 2018, 01:49 PM
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The Golden Key was a system sold by Equestrian Publishing through the Practical Punting Magazine in 2008.
Maybe you should contact them re copy..
Thanks for that Midas.
Actually, thinking back on it I think the system that I heard about was just 'The Key' minus the golden bit as I think it predates 2008. Could be wrong though as my memory isn't getting any better with age.
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Old 14th May 2018, 04:29 PM
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Here,a oldie from the "Blue Ribbon " book.

Tipsters Poll (I used the Saturday Australian )

Must have 10 Tipsters.

Every Tipster must have the same horse on top but if their is 1 tipster and 1 only must have it as no.2 on his list

There was a couple of spinoffs from the basic system by other sellers.
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Old 14th May 2018, 04:31 PM
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You've implied that there were more longshots getting up in the older days. Have you got any proof? Given the percentage of favourites winning hasn't changed I doubt the percentage of longshots winning hasn't changed either.

If you've got anything contrary to that I'd love to see it.


Hi Snert, can't answer for Shaun, but I think he's getting at the prices based on information have shortened, not that longshots win less often these days.
So what migh have been 25/1 in the old days is 12/1 now or similar.
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Old 14th May 2018, 06:00 PM
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Here,a oldie from the "Blue Ribbon " book.

Tipsters Poll (I used the Saturday Australian )

Must have 10 Tipsters.

Every Tipster must have the same horse on top but if their is 1 tipster and 1 only must have it as no.2 on his list

There was a couple of spinoffs from the basic system by other sellers.


You would only be backing Winx and Black Caviar 10 tipsters commiting to the same top pick is pretty hard to come by.
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Old 15th May 2018, 04:47 AM
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You would only be backing Winx and Black Caviar 10 tipsters commiting to the same top pick is pretty hard to come by.


Just another example of the old generation getting suck in to buying useless publications
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Old 15th May 2018, 07:16 AM
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The Golden Key was a system sold by Equestrian Publishing through the Practical Punting Magazine in 2008.
Maybe you should contact them re copy..

Midas


Don't waste your money :-)

Written/compiled by a fine fellow. In my opinion it was absolute, utter, entire rubbish. The maths were correct, but the principles were garbage and it worked short but lost long.
........... and then there was "The Key Factor is Fitness" more rubbish ... Top Form ..... The Missing Link .... Double Deuce ...... Bullet Proof ..... Phar Lap .... they all worked for the included/selected/printed trial period. Many of them depended on somebody else's opinion ..... newspaper tipsters usually .... but they ALL failed the test of time.

Go for the Turpee Solution in Sat Metro. Not always right but you can make groceries.
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Old 15th May 2018, 10:11 AM
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I dont know about these days but they were a regular occurence in the past.
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