hI everyone, I was wondering if it were possible to Dutch quinellas. If so, how? Thanks

This is how i do it.
Dutching quinellas is the same as Dutching a single runner, the lower the odds the less profit/ return, the more over the book, the more cost involved to win a set amount back.

To get an appox return on two runners just add their odds together, its not exact but some times it works in your favour.

You might for example pick only even numbers in a dog race.
2,4,6,8
This is from the 28th June Gosford Dogs race 5.

Add up their odds.
You might like to win a set amount back; $100.00 or you might like to spread a $100.00 across the runners. You will need a dutching formula for all of this just do a search in the forum.
For this exercise we want to win $100.00 plus cover our cost.

Price per runner
2=$3
4=$16
6=$18
8=$7

So.....

Price per Quinella
2,4=$19
2,6=$21
2,8=$10
4,6=$34
4,8=$23
8,6=$25

As it rurned out 4,2 won,paid $32.5 on QTAB
The total cost to win $100.00 = $46
So each set of runners will cost this..

2,4=$7.5
2,6=$7
2,8=$14.5
4,6=$4.5
4,8=$6.5
8,6=$6

As you can see 4,2 won and paid ($32.5 * $7.5= $243.75) -$46 =$197.75
Loads of overs here.
Dont forget you could also use the lowest paying pair as a saver bet.
Really its endless but as with all things punting you gotta pick em and this is where i have discovered that nothing works unless you have a very large and endless bank and if i did i would'nt bother with all of this.

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Thanks, good 4th. I get it now.

If you have one of Scotts books...look at the formula there
Quinellas....100/(x(y+1)) + 100/(y(x+1) where x and y are the price of the horses...
so if two 4/1 shots.... 100/(4(4+1)) + 100/(4(4+1)) becomes
100/20+ 100/20 equals 10
works the same for exactas....say 6/4 and 10....
100/1.5(10+1) =100/16.5 say 6....
100/10(1.5+1) = 100/25 is 4....
If you are interested I have a chart on the prices which obviates the need for all the mathematics..

Dimboola

I made a little spreadsheet that does the calculations for you. You just enter the selections and prices, it will return the stake and expected return amounts.

I was prompted to make it after reading this thread yesterday. It took me 10 hours and the missus was not impressed.

It's yours if you want it. If enough people show an interest I will post it here on the forum.

Regards
Zlotti

Interesting read. In your first post Good 4th where do you get the line "cost to win $100= $46"? Can you please explain this. Thanks

Good point...Cost to win

This is how much you have to invest to return $146.00
Cost = $46.00
Target to Win = $100.00
Included in the cost is saver bets.
So it wont mater which combo wins (so long as as they do ) you stand to return $146.00

You dutch your selections to cover each other and to also return a profit.

Look for a dutching program in this forum, add the odds together, put the odds in the program and see how much it will all cost verses the set return.

Look its all a bit of fun and if it worked all day every day i would'nt have to worry to much.
Its so hard to pick the winner let alone a quinnella. ( Quinns pay well )

The thing is, be creative with mixing things together in all sorts of weird ways and maybe it might work. ( Ive yet to find any commom thread )

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I had a look at your spreadsheet, 10 hours, !
mate well done, i took about three weeks to try and build a dutch betting sheet for four runners, any loss would carry onto next bet and the programme would tell me what i needed to outlay to STILL return the old majic $100, still use it but one must understand it to use it, i wont post it cause it aint a shaddow of your work. I use it on a phone which flips out (wont mention names) LIKE a computer!, any way well done!
Cheers dingo

As you said, just adding the two prices together isn't the best but it works for what we need to do.

If anyone changes this for the better, please post it back so we can all benefit from it.

Regards

Zlotti

PS. No smart ass remarks about the amount of hours it took to get it right either!

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Quinella Dutching.xls (39.0 KB, 966 views)

This all seems a bit complicated. What I generally do is say ... "look sweetheart, you pay for your quinellas and I'll pay for mine - ok?"

Regards,
Wun
(with apologies)