Here is what I call my G6 System.

This is not a selection system nor is it a staking plan.

This is an attempt to devise a method to get through long losing runs.

My idea is to see if an ideal number “divisor” can be found to reduce bank loses for any strike rate.

Everybody has their own way of making their selections and preferences for staking plans.

A problem in common to most punters if not all, is the inevitable long losing run.

A loss recovery plan is part of my idea not everybody’s cuppa, but, each to his own.

There has been lots of work in this area before and I’m sure mine won’t be the last.



Anyway, here’s how it goes.

I use groups of 6 runners to win X and recover loses.

6 losses terminate a group or a win when it happens.

Whatever is lost on a losing group of 6 is left behind.

This cut off is necessary.

Start new group.

The original plan was to find:

1. Ideal number of bets to put together to get through the long losing runs without stretching the bank too much. 6 seems to be the ideal number for this set of results.

2. To see if anything could get near the Level Stakes ideal and to make the same profit.

I ran the 2 ideas side by side on the same sheet.

Would like to pursue this for a while, any help with the science bit, ROI SR LSP etc would be really appreciated.

Does anyone know if there is a spreadsheet around that will do this automatically?

Had a stroke a few years ago and not able for that kind of calc anymore, think the old brain got crisped round the edges that time.

All help, comments and advice are welcome.

Here is the G 6 Plan in Excel, there are 945 rows.

Novice Punter

Attached Files

G 6 Plan.xls (114.0 KB, 1161 views)

Staking idea
If a winner is struck regardless of price , restart at the beginning.

Try & target runners paying $3.20+ otherwise its a no bet race if the selection is not there. Let it win without your money.

Don't chase the value , let it come to you.

1 1 2 2 3 3 = 12
av O/L $2 per race.
You may notice that this is also the median figure.

Have 9 banks of 12 units = 108
Allows for 54 bets.

Punting aint easy , epecially if one accepts short prices consistantly.

A method of selection that has its good days.

1st & 2nd TAB FAV PLAN
Target the 1st & 2nd TAB Favs at 0 jump time.
These win on average 45% of the time.

The selection of the 2 Favs is the one with the shortest PLACE Div at 0 jump time,
If a draw , No-bet. (This is rare)
Bet it for a Win.

One will find that stuff still changes after that time. Thats OK, its part of the process.

One will find that it works in real time, but not after the event is over.
So going over past results is a waste of time because every thing is then balanced out to reflect the actual , which ends up showing the Fav after the 90 sec loop of time for all the figures from around the country become formatted.

So I repeat, dont wast ones time looking at the actual results after the event, because most times that is not what was actually being shown at the time of selection at 0 jump time .

One will be surprised at some of the value divs struck using this method.

give it a dry run before betting any real money.

Cheers.

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Cheers.

Hi shoto,

May I say, if the members of this forum are a fair representation of Australian Society then I really would love to live there, the members here have been very helpful and courteous, believe me I know the difference having posted my ideas in other forums.

There is an old saying class will always come out on top.

I totally agree with you about Bhagwan, and if he doesn’t mind me saying, I believe he is a highly respected and valued member of this community.

I have read most of his posts and would recommend that beginners and improvers like myself to do the same.

I would like nothing better than talk racing all day with you guys and have a few long necks in the cooler, sounds like heaven to me.

Regards to All


Kevin


Novice Punter

I agree entirely with Crash on this one.

If the goal is to turn a negative expectation into a positive outcome, then a staking plan will merely temporarily "hide" your losses. This can be dangerous to the punter who is unaware of this fact and has false confidence in the future outcome of his strategy.

A staking plan will "eventually" magnify an existing profit or loss.

However, if the goal is to get through a long run of losses, knowing that the betting method is sound, then there is no better method than level stakes in my opinion.

Concentrating on the strategy itself rather than the amount staked will reap far greater rewards in the longrun. If a long run of losses occurs, it is likely that the profit from the strategy comes from one or two longshots overall and the likelihood of this repeating before you bust your bank is minimal and risky, therefore throwing more money at such a plan on false hope is dangerous play.

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Thanks Shoto,
For your kind words.



Cheers.

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Hi Bhagwan

Thank you for responding to my post.

First off, have to copy your post into word and save it, have to read things a million times these days to get the plan.

Then I will try your staking idea along side level stakes and the 6 idea to see if more profit can be got.

Just at first reading the losses of the 6 plan would be reduced by a fair bit with a higher return also.

I have seen this type of staking in many of the posts on this site, apart from tests on a short run of bets I have never tried it over a long set of results.

I hear what you say about value, one of the rules in my selection plan is, and there are a few, odds on no bet.

Don’t have named selections, just race type and odds etc.

Evens or better is ok with me, its just a medium to, get on, relying on the group of 6 idea to control the out of control situation that can happen when using a recovery type staking plan.

I’m going to get it in the neck for saying that, but I have tried for a long to formulate a plan that was easy to use and suited my way of doing things, and the pocket.

It is a bit aggressive, loss recovery will always is considered so, but it’s a compromise on some of my other ideas.


Thank you for taking the time

Regards

Kevin

Novice Punter

Hi Novice Punter,
Your Most Welcome.
With the mentioned staking plan, one can target $2.00 horses for the first 3 bets e.g. 1 1 2 , if one must bet them its the last 3 bets that needs the value so show a profit.

An alternatve to the staking idea is to repeat that bet if the odds are not high enough to show a profit.

Either way , there is not much damage done because it is capped at 12 units max , before restarting.

One would have killed it yesterday with that selection idea.

Cheers.

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Hi Novice,
Heres a staking plan you might like to check out against ones past selections
It might work well.


LADDER STAKING PLAN.
These are all geared for a run of 60 races to produce a $2.00+ profit .
One keeps betting up the ladder win ,loose or draw until $2.00 in front , then start from the beginning.
The idea is to start again as soon as $2+ profit of bank is acheived.
e.g. $330 bank , $2+ profit needed before restarting .
If one reaches bet No.60 one does not proceed any further , either start with a new bank or give up punting forever.

e.g. 111111 222222 333333 444444 555555 ect.stopping at
10 10 10 10 10 10 keep going along the ladder, regardless of result, until it is forced into profit

1x6 example.
e.g. 1L,1L,1L, 1Xw2.00, 1L,1L,2L, 2Xw2.50, 2L, 2Xw3.00, 2L,2L, 3Xw3.90
O/L 21.00
Ret 24.70
Prof +$3.70 = +18% POT

Level stakes at $2.00 a bet
O/L 26.00
Ret 22.80
Loss -3.20 = -14% LOT


$-- Lots of 6
1--6
2--6
3--6
4--6
5--6
6--6
7--6
8--6
9--6
10--6
Bank needed $330
Last bet No.60 needed odds to break even 33/1
or several winners totaling these odds at the end process.


Cheers.

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Hi crash,

Thank you for them words of wisdom, they can never be said often enough or loud enough.

I will be posting the results of my system/plan soon and with that information hopefully we can improve on things.


Kevin


Novice Punter