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  #31  
Old 10th October 2011, 12:22 PM
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Update:
First race at Donald should read R 3 No 2 Viper Room
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Old 10th October 2011, 08:41 PM
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Update;

Opening Bank..................$817.50 UB Train Bank......$1039.05
Positives 2x $9.50 ...........+$19.00.Negatives 2x$10..-$20.00
Red Lingo ($4.7)............-$37.00...Red Lingo ($4.6).. +$36.00
Mil Shrew ($2.6)............-$16.00...Mil shrew ($2.6) ...+$16.00
Skimalong($4.7)............-$37.00...Skimalong ($4.6) ..+$36.00
New Bank......................$$746.50 New Bank.............$1092.55

Downhill slide continues for the Roller Coaster.
Carriages back for the UB Train
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Old 11th October 2011, 03:03 AM
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Tuesday 11/10/2011

Current Bank(RC).................$$746.50 Current Bank(UB)........$1092.55

Unit Bet (Lay) 1% (original Bank $1000) = $10 (UB Train Back Bet =$10)
Max Lay Liability $5.00 Max Back -Alt of lay( all at 10 sec to jump time)


Grafton R4 No 4 Dynamic Spy (pp4.6)
Echuca R6 No 10Fantastic Porscha (pp10)
R6 No 12 Golden ascent (pp7.5)
Townsville R3 No 6 No limitation (pp6.5)
Grafton R5 No 3 Just amaizin (pp2.9)
Echuca R7 No 2 Orbicat (pp6.5)
R7 No 5 I'm Mysterious (pp8.5)
Echuca R8 No 2 Happyendo (pp8.50
R8 No 3 Resovre (pp5)
R8 No 11 Winchester Atms (pp7)
R8 No 13 Racer's Dream (pp10)
Townsville R5 No 12 Miss Rubenstein (pp6.5)
GraftonR7 No 8 Storm Fabulador (pp8.5)
R7 No 11 Tzanann (pp10)
Townsville Race 7 No 4 Unluckyforsum (pp14)
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Old 11th October 2011, 07:29 AM
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I have been dabbling with this crazy idea of backing & laying the same horse in the same sequence of races .

It is not quite right yet.
Further input would be welcome.

This is how it goes.
Lay bet flat 5 units to fall over if price is =>6.20 .
Lay bet 10 units if price is <=$6.00

Back bet is 20 units with an increment of 10% on the last losing Back bet,
Allow a max run of 6 outs then start again if no winner picked.
Also start again if winner is picked.

The general idea is to try & minimise ones total outlay if possible
Its the losing bets that do the damage & punters should try & think in terms of Liability, whether its Win or Lay betting, rather than just profit all the time.

Because if the looses are minimised , the profits will generally follow.

The Lay bets try to pay half of the Back bet losses & soften the blow a little especially on a bad run , if that's possible

First bet is always a Back bet say $20, with zero Lay bet made.

Second bet would be a Back bet $10 +10% due to previous loss .
Plus a $5.00 flat Lay bet to go towards the loss of the 1st bet.


We wish to hit 3.5% a day, then stop , or option to continue for the day if you feel you can hit another 3.50% on the day.

Example of a non winner series.
Back----Lay
20------ No bet on 1st race.
22-------10
24-------5
26--------5
29-------10
32-------5
ect.
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Old 11th October 2011, 03:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bhagwan
I have been dabbling with this crazy idea of backing & laying the same horse in the same sequence of races .

It is not quite right yet.
Further input would be welcome.

This is how it goes.
Lay bet flat 5 units to fall over if price is =>6.20 .
Lay bet 10 units if price is <=$6.00

Back bet is 20 units with an increment of 10% on the last losing Back bet,
Allow a max run of 6 outs then start again if no winner picked.
Also start again if winner is picked.

The general idea is to try & minimise ones total outlay if possible
Its the losing bets that do the damage & punters should try & think in terms of Liability, whether its Win or Lay betting, rather than just profit all the time.

Because if the looses are minimised , the profits will generally follow.

The Lay bets try to pay half of the Back bet losses & soften the blow a little especially on a bad run , if that's possible

First bet is always a Back bet say $20, with zero Lay bet made.

Second bet would be a Back bet $10 +10% due to previous loss .
Plus a $5.00 flat Lay bet to go towards the loss of the 1st bet.


We wish to hit 3.5% a day, then stop , or option to continue for the day if you feel you can hit another 3.50% on the day.

Example of a non winner series.
Back----Lay
20------ No bet on 1st race.
22-------10
24-------5
26--------5
29-------10
32-------5
ect.

Hi Bhagwan,
My Selections from yesterday
Cessnock R 1 No 3.......Back 20(loss)
Leeton R 4 No 4......Back 22(4.6)..Return 101.2... Lay10(4.7)..Loss(37.00)
If we Stop here; 101.2-20-22-37= 22.2 Profit
contunue;
Cessnock R 4 No 4..Back 20(2.6)..Return 52.00
If we stop here; 52.00 20= 32.00 profit
continue:
Leeton R 5 No 6.....Back 20 (Loss)
Donald R6 No 9......Back 22 (Loss)............Lay 10....Return 10
Donald R7 No 7......Back 24 (4.6)..Return 110.4..Lay 10(4.7)..Loss(37.00)
If we stop here; 110.4-2--22-24-37= 7.4 Profit
Each stage would have resulted in a profit
All stages combined in a profit 22.2+32.00+7.4 = 61.6
But will it hold up?
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Old 11th October 2011, 07:22 PM
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update:

Current Bank(RC)...................$746.50 Current Bank(UB)........$1092.55
Positives 4 x $9.5...................$38.00 Negatives 4 x $10.........-$40.00
Racer's Dream ($4.9).............-$39.00 Racer's Dream (4.7).....+$37.00
New Bank..............................$745.50New Bank.....................$1089.55
Little action to-day
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Old 11th October 2011, 09:55 PM
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Wednesday 12/10/2011

Current Bank(RC).................$$745.50 Current Bank(UB)........$1089.55

Unit Bet (Lay) 1% (original Bank $1000) = $10 (UB Train Back Bet =$10)
Max Lay Liability $5.00 Max Back -Alt of lay( all at 10 sec to jump time)

Caulfield R 1 No 2/3/6
Randwick R1 No 1
Randwick R 2 No 3/4/6
M Bridge R 4 No 9
Caulfield R4 No 3/7/9
Randwick R3 No 7
Caulfield R5 No 3/7
Doombem R3 No 9
Randwick R4 No 1/2/4
M Bridge R6 No 1/3/8/9
Randwick R5 No 3
Cailfield R7 No 12/16
Doomben R5 No 1/8/11
Randwick R6 No 1/7
M Bridge R8 No 2/5/10
Caulfield R8 No 2/6
Doomben R6 No 5
Randwick R7 No 9/10
M Bridge R 9No 6/8
Doomben R7 No 9/14
Northam R 6 No 3
Northaam R 8 No 3/5/8
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Old 12th October 2011, 09:28 AM
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Hi Place2Win

It will hold up if we can hit 1 winner in 6 (17%SR)

If the lot dont ever win , our total loss will be approx 60% less than we would have normally have lost if win only betting.

The average bet size on the 6 bet sequence is 25.50 units x 6 = 153 units
less
6 x say 10units ret = 60unit ret

90 - 153 = -63unit loss

Thats a 90 unit difference
Saving of approx 60% on win only bets.
Therefore less winners & less liability required to recover.

Remember , the idea is to reduce our Banks Liability exposure.
Max leverage is on the 2nd & 3rd bets of the 6 bet sequence.
Plus it adds a bit more fun to the process.

If you hit a winner with one of your 9.00+ selections , you will be laughing like a Hyena.

Has the selection process hit many $9.00+ winners?
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Old 12th October 2011, 06:30 PM
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My maths is ballsed up .

Its meant to read
60-153= -90units

Saving of 40% on straight level stakes,
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Old 12th October 2011, 07:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bhagwan
My maths is ballsed up .

Its meant to read
60-153= -90units

Saving of 40% on straight level stakes,
Gotcha.
To-day
Randwick R 1 No1 Hendricus (1.68) x 20 = 33.6 Profit 13.6 (Stop) or
continue;
Caulfield R 4 No 9 Cosmonaut (3.30) x 20 66.00 Profit 46.00 (stop) or
continue;
Randwick R 3 No 7 Mc Bull (2.10) x 20 = -20.00 ( Loss)
M Bridge R8 No 5 Belfast Boy (5.5) x 22 = -22.00 (Loss) Lay 10 rtn 10
Caulfield R 8 No 6 Facile Tiger (5.4) x 24 = 129.6 Profit 63.6 Lay 10 rtn(-45)

Overall 13.6 + 46.00 +63.6 +10 -45 = 88.2 Profit

All selections are from The Roller Coaster System where a single
selection resulted.
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