Yep, and based on what you have said and reading between the lines a bit, i would think one of your selection criteria is that the horse needs to sustain a run of approx 400 m to meet a selection, or be displaying its stride for a sustained amount of time, be it 2 furlongs or even less but maybe right through to the line.

And yes my thoughts exactly, 100% the run of the day.

Best tj

You're spot on tayjack, that's the difference between a good strider only and a potential champion.

__________________
RaceCensus - powerful system testing software.
Now with over 400,000 Metropolitan, Provincial and Country races!
http://www.propun.com.au/horse_raci...ng_systems.html
*RaceCensus now updated to 30/04/2024
Video overview of RaceCensus here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W821YP_b0Pg

Chrome forgive me being somewhat quizzical with your results to date. Do you find that these 'strider types' are often placed or just beaten ie close 2nd OR is it more like they either romp home blitzing the opposition in the straight or finish well back.

All or nothing or mostly thereabouts the winnng post within x lengths(strides?)

Cheers LG

__________________
The trick isn't finding profitable angles, it's finding ones you will bet through the ups and downs - UB

LG, the only one of those listed that are rejected are those that "finish well back".
However, I can't really put it into a statistical formula, it's more like when I see it, it hits me, it stands out. I might watch 16 races and only one or two will stand out.
The first thing I look for is stride length, then abiility to maintain that stride length for a period, and then the actual speed.

http://www.racingnetwork.com.au/Vis...mediaid=1016966

Here is Surpass, watch the race a couple of times, watch how he drifts back shuffled all the way back to third last, and then he makes a slow move, but when the jockey asks for an effort, he unleashes a withering stride and maintains it right to the judge and finishes off running three times the speed of anything else in the race.

__________________
RaceCensus - powerful system testing software.
Now with over 400,000 Metropolitan, Provincial and Country races!
http://www.propun.com.au/horse_raci...ng_systems.html
*RaceCensus now updated to 30/04/2024
Video overview of RaceCensus here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W821YP_b0Pg

It never looked like it was going to even come in a place eh? First time I looked at the replay I kept checking to see if I was following the right horse!Then a couple of cracks (+1) and we are talking turbo-drive. Must have had oodles left in the tank back there to produce such a withering burst?

I noted the long striding back legs ending up where the front set were and the head leading as I think you have pointed out on several occasions now. Jockey timed it nicely too - makes you wonder if some hoops are particularly good with striders e.g. timing of the run to conserve the massive gas tank then a couple of bangs on the turbo column shift and away we go onto the winning post.

Excuse the petrol-head analogies above but I think I am starting to get the drift here - much better to put some reasoning behind a run home like that rather than watch your own pick mowed down by a laser beam and not know what the *%$* just happened.

LG

PS will take a second look now

__________________
The trick isn't finding profitable angles, it's finding ones you will bet through the ups and downs - UB

Ignore this post - it be a brain fade by M'Lud which was to blame.

LG

__________________
The trick isn't finding profitable angles, it's finding ones you will bet through the ups and downs - UB

Other things I noticed on 2nd replay...

1. I think I was on Tough Vintage(and Love if Liberty) in that race LOL
2. It's back legs didn't follow through as far as did those of Surpass, much shorter length of stride
3. Surpass legs seem to move much faster than the others in the run home - a bit like looking at car wheel spokes through window of another car= almost flashing backwards!
4. The caller only just picked up the turbo run home - was almost beginning to call mendevil home as the winner i.e. could hear it in his voice so must have been caught unawares as to express train coming thru on outside.

Interesting exercise, thanks mate.

LG

__________________
The trick isn't finding profitable angles, it's finding ones you will bet through the ups and downs - UB

That's one of they key indicators LG, I always look for the hind legs filling the spaces left by the fore legs without over reaching.

You might find this interesting:

http://youtu.be/scZbaTTAbCM

The horse in question is Mark Johnston's Street Artist by Street Cry.
Although it's an amazing video and the horse shows excellent stride length, immediately I picked up on his lazy far side leg and he is overreaching, so his full power is not being transformed into speed / distance.
Because of his unbalanced stride he stands a high risk of injury.

So I looked him up on Timeform and he's had six starts for no wins, but 3 seconds and a third placing. His latest runs, he's been unplaced and only earned 3,465 pounds.

Such wonderful breeding, looks, stride, yet he has his gait problems.

__________________
RaceCensus - powerful system testing software.
Now with over 400,000 Metropolitan, Provincial and Country races!
http://www.propun.com.au/horse_raci...ng_systems.html
*RaceCensus now updated to 30/04/2024
Video overview of RaceCensus here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W821YP_b0Pg

Short strider Altius goes around again in Race 3 at Rosehill Saturday.
The horse can win if he gets the right split and the right pace, but he doesn't have the stride to be versatile enough to adapt to adverse conditions.
I'll be laying him again, because he should go around second favourite for some odd reason.

Onto the striders:

Bonne Nuit R7 Caulfield
Flash Of Doubt R2 Caulfield
Danas Best R4 Rosehill
Honorius R8 Rosehill
Pakal R7 Caulfield

Plenty of action Saturday.

__________________
RaceCensus - powerful system testing software.
Now with over 400,000 Metropolitan, Provincial and Country races!
http://www.propun.com.au/horse_raci...ng_systems.html
*RaceCensus now updated to 30/04/2024
Video overview of RaceCensus here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W821YP_b0Pg

Chris Waller says "Altius can blow them away this week".
I'm not so sure

__________________
RaceCensus - powerful system testing software.
Now with over 400,000 Metropolitan, Provincial and Country races!
http://www.propun.com.au/horse_raci...ng_systems.html
*RaceCensus now updated to 30/04/2024
Video overview of RaceCensus here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W821YP_b0Pg