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Old 2nd October 2011, 06:40 AM
Bhagwan Bhagwan is offline
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Default Black Box Lay Staking Plan

Here is a staking plan that's worth adding to your arsenal in our battle with Lay betting.

It is a relatively tame Lay recovery staking plan, that can work very well with the right selections.
Just make sure the selections are approx <=5.00

The idea is to increase ones stake by 1 unit after we have been bitten for the 2nd time while trying to recover.

Start again once any profit is made.

Bank needed $1.00 per $200.00 bank. (.5% of Bank)
This is very economical compared to many other lay recovery plans out there.

Example
Assuming all are 3/1 (4.00)
1
1L.... -2
1L.... -5
2
2..... -1
2L.... -7
2
2..... -3
2L.... -9
3
3
3..... -0
3L.... -9
3
3
3..... -0
3L.... -9
4
4
4...... +3


Bit 6 times / 20 bets @ 3/1 (4.00) 30% Won
Which is a poor result for lay betting in this price range.

Level Stakes
Out 24.00
In 20.00
Loss -4.00
-20% LOT

Black Box Staking Plan
+3.00 Profit
48.00 O/L
+6.3% POT

That's a 26.3 pt. difference in performance.
This is considered to be a huge difference, when it comes to Lay betting.

The thing most Lay punters will also like about this approach , is that it can handle being bit 4 times in a row easily , which is always a concern to most lay punters, using most other recovery plans, one usually finds their exposure to Liability, going through the roof , which makes most punters feel very uncomfortable and understandable so.

So give this a dry go on paper first, using past results of your favourite Lay selection method.
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Old 11th June 2013, 07:36 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bhagwan
Here is a staking plan that's worth adding to your arsenal in our battle with Lay betting.

It is a relatively tame Lay recovery staking plan, that can work very well with the right selections.
Just make sure the selections are approx <=5.00

The idea is to increase ones stake by 1 unit after we have been bitten for the 2nd time while trying to recover.

Start again once any profit is made.

Bank needed $1.00 per $200.00 bank. (.5% of Bank)
This is very economical compared to many other lay recovery plans out there.

Example
Assuming all are 3/1 (4.00)



Bit 6 times / 20 bets @ 3/1 (4.00) 30% Won
Which is a poor result for lay betting in this price range.

1
1L.... -2
1L.... -5
2
2..... -1
2L.... -7
2
2..... -3
2L.... -9
3
3
3..... -0
3L.... -9
3
3
3..... -0
3L.... -9
4
4
4...... +3
Level Stakes
Out 24.00
In 20.00
Loss -4.00
-20% LOT

Black Box Staking Plan
+3.00 Profit
48.00 O/L
+6.3% POT

That's a 26.3 pt. difference in performance.
This is considered to be a huge difference, when it comes to Lay betting.

The thing most Lay punters will also like about this approach , is that it can handle being bit 4 times in a row easily , which is always a concern to most lay punters, using most other recovery plans, one usually finds their exposure to Liability, going through the roof , which makes most punters feel very uncomfortable and understandable so.

So give this a dry go on paper first, using past results of your favourite Lay selection method.
Hi

I really enjoy trying out the Lay staking plans on this web site. I found this Lay recovery plan by Bhagwan. Having stared at it for at least an hour I still can't figure what's going on. Could someone clue me in.

I understand that the stake increases by 1 unit after two consecutive losses. And returns to 1 unit after a profit is achieved.

Could someone enlighten me on these figures.

1
1L.... -2
1L.... -5
2
2..... -1
2L.... -7
2
2..... -3
2L.... -9
3
3
3..... -0
3L.... -9
3
3
3..... -0
3L.... -9
4
4
4...... +3

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Old 11th June 2013, 09:29 AM
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I will explain the first 6 bets, remember he has not included any commission with these bets.

First he uses a price of $4 and lays $1

1st bet wins $1
2nd bet loss, in lay betting you only lose liabilty not stake.
At $4 your liability is $3 since you won $1 on first race you are at -$2
3rd bet loss -$5
4th bet win $2 so is at -$3
5th bet win $2 so is at -$1
6th bet lost and since we are laying $2 our liability is double so loss $6 puts us at -$7
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Old 11th June 2013, 09:41 AM
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Hi Shaun

Thanks for taking the time to reply. I get it now.
Could this be automated, I have BFBotmanager and BetBotPro. I can set a simple sequence such as

1 x stake
1 x stake
2 x stake
3 x stake
4 x stake
5 x stake and so on.

I can reset to original stake after a win. However I cannot see away of returning to original stake after making a profit after 2 consecutive loses.
If only Bhagwan was here to advise. Hope he's alright
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Old 11th June 2013, 09:55 AM
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I can' say sorry as i don't use it, but i have 6 months of results from a system that had.

848 selections
645 wins
SR 80.78
Ave Price 6.70
Loss 0.38%

Mind u the staking used was very different and am going to do some recalculations then test this idea out.
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