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Old 29th June 2005, 03:36 PM
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Default Favourites in Big Fields

Each day, select the non-handicap race with the most runners.

Bet the favourite to win, provided it is the outright favourite. If equal favourites, there is no bet.

This system applies to flat and jumps races equally.

The cdsystems website comments: "There is an old saying: 'the bigger the field the better the favourite' and, as in all old proverbs, there is an element of substance to it - this trial will hopefully prove just how much.
"Races with more runners tend to be truly-run affairs, as opposed to those with small fields which often provide no early pace and no cover for the runners that need it.
"Races with big fields are also much less competitive, on many occasions, than they first appear. They often contain many runners that have no realistic chance of winning. That applies much more so to non-handicap events, on which the system is based."
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Old 2nd July 2005, 11:24 AM
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Hey Glenno,

Was this just a general observation or have you run this system through past stats.
If so ,whats the SR, and bank return.
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Old 3rd July 2005, 03:22 PM
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How are you supposed to know who is favourite or whether it is an equal favourite unless you are on course and prepared to bet in the last 15 seconds of betting?
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Old 3rd July 2005, 03:54 PM
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BTW i thought you were going to have 1 thread devoted to your systems
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Old 4th July 2005, 03:37 PM
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How are you supposed to know who is favourite or whether it is an equal favourite unless you are on course and prepared to bet in the last 15 seconds of betting?

In this system, back only outright favourites, not equal favourites. I don't mind whether it is from the pre-post market, the SP prices or TAB prices.

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BTW i thought you were going to have one thread devoted to your systems.

I am putting the systems in one thread, but I'm putting the older systems on first.
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Old 5th July 2005, 08:46 AM
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Glenno.

1. Pre post markets as the basis for your assessment of a "favourite" is dangerous. By my observation only about half the newspaper faves actually start favourite.
2. The SP fave is not know until after the race when the SP is actually declared. Know any bookies who let you on after the race?
3. TAB prices fluctuate wildly. The 4th favourite 30 seconds before the jump can start favourite in reality.

I don't see how any accuracy can be attained by any of the above methods.
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Old 5th July 2005, 11:40 AM
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Morning Glenno and everyone else too!! I have a gut feeling this couldn't be a winner long-term as my own selection methods in large-field set-weight events (ie Derbies and the like) have landed numerous giant upsets with the fav left floundering "behind a wall of horses". However as Atapi DID win the main race (set-weight AND the biggest field) at Caloundra on Saturday, I'm not dismissing it yet. I'll be keeping an eye on it for a while, at least. Only question: do you reckon it applies to Maiden Plates as well? Cheers

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Old 5th July 2005, 02:17 PM
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Morning Glenno and everyone else too!! I have a gut feeling this couldn't be a winner long-term as my own selection methods in large-field set-weight events (ie Derbies and the like) have landed numerous giant upsets with the fav left floundering "behind a wall of horses". However as Atapi did win the main race (set-weight and the biggest field) at Caloundra on Saturday, I'm not dismissing it yet. I'll be keeping an eye on it for a while, at least. Only question: do you reckon it applies to Maiden Plates as well? Cheers.

It applies to maidens as well, as long as it is a non-handicap race.
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Old 3rd October 2005, 02:24 PM
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Was this just a general observation or have you run this system through past stats. If so ,whats the SR, and bank return.

6/8/2005

Randwick race 6
Pre-post (Sportsman): Snitzel 3rd $1.40
SP: Snitzel 3rd $1.40

13/8/2005

Moonee Valley race 6
Pre-post: Strikeline 1st $3.60 and $1.40
SP: Strikeline 1st $3.60 and $1.40

20/8/2005

Randwick race 7
Pre-post: Media unplaced
SP: Opportunity unplaced

27/8/2005

Rosehill race 7
Pre-post: Racing to Win 2nd $2.00
SP: Carry On Cutie unplaced

3/9/2005

Flemington race 9
Pre-post: Pretty Penny unplaced
SP: Storm Alert unplaced

10/9/2005

Moonee Valley race 8
Pre-post: Flowerdrum 1st $5.90 and $2.30
SP: Storm Alert unplaced

17/9/2005

Caulfield race 6
Pre-post: Perlin 1st $6.70 and $2.50
SP: Confectioner unplaced

24/9/2005

Randwick race 1
Pre-post: Backstabber unplaced
SP: Mentality 3rd $1.20

Randwick race 5
Pre-post: Dance Hero unplaced
SP: Shania Dane 2nd $1.40

1/10/2005

Flemington race 1
Pre-post: Nadeem unplaced
SP: I Got Chills 1st $4.50 and $1.90

Flemington race 7
Pre-post: Sky Cuddle 1st $5.20 and $1.90
SP: Sky Cuddle 1st $5.20 and $1.90

Flemington race 8
Pre-post: Makybe Diva 1st $2.60 and $1.60
SP: Makybe Diva 1st $2.60 and $1.60

Flemington race 9
Pre-post: Brannigan unplaced
SP: Virage de Fortune unplaced

Results (pre-post selections)
Selections: 13
Wins: 5 (38.46%)
Places: 7 (53.85%)
Win return (SuperTAB): $24.00 (+$11.00 or +84.62%)
Place return (SuperTAB): $13.10 (+$0.10 or +0.77%)

Results (SP selections)
Selections: 13
Wins: 4 (30.77%)
Places: 7 (53.85%)
Win return (SuperTAB): $15.90 (+$2.90 or +22.31%)
Place return (SuperTAB): $10.80 (-$2.20 or -16.92%)
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Old 5th October 2005, 08:43 AM
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Hi Glenno,
Thanks for the input of that plan .
I have gone over a number of races & it seems to pull a few winners.

I note in the results posted for Flemington 1/10/05 that there are a number of races covered , the largest field to qualify was R8 17 runners-Makbe Diva & R1-17 runners.

The rules states the race with the most runners that is not a Hcp.

So why did you mentioned R9-16 runners & R7-16 runners
Why not add R6-15 runners Serenade Rose $5.00 PP -Won $15.30
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