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Old 9th June 2011, 08:13 PM
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I was just looking at my actual bot profit compared to what I have been paid as profit from Betfair and I have actually paid 16.5% of my winnings to Betfair so far for the month. Kinda makes you wonder whether it is really better prices in the long run through Betfair doesn't it?
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Old 9th June 2011, 08:39 PM
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Mattio
Are you using Bet Bot Pro?

If so, set the Adj Ticks to -4 to allow for any fall in price as the bet is going on.
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Old 9th June 2011, 08:44 PM
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What I do to allow for the 5% Betfair commission when betting level stakes ,

is bet 3-5% more on top of our std bet , this usually addresses the commission

you mention.
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Old 9th June 2011, 10:37 PM
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Hi Bhagwan,

The bot I am currently using doesn't have that feature (at least not that I can see) so until mine is fully functional I will have to wear those losses. I am allowing for the commission in the stakes so while I am betting an additional 5% on the stakes I am losing 16.5% from the gross return.

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Old 9th June 2011, 10:39 PM
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Hi mattio and anyone who will listen,

Don't be fooled, the Betfair takeout doesn't seem like much (5%) but it sure adds up (particularly if using recovery rather than straight out level stakes betting).

Take for example today. I was trying out the backing the 3rd fav mode (level stakes simulation bets which lost over the complete day) but the 3rd fav had to be over $6 on BF. In the sixth race the 3rd fav won and paid $8.40 (matched at 9.4). 5% of 8.40 is 42c making the actual amount won for that bet $7.98.

Okay, that's fine if it was the first race but, as it was the 6th race, I would have lost $5 in the previous races. This means I won (in simulation mode) $3.40 for the day which was reduced to $2.98 by the 42c (5%) commission.

BF wouldn't of deducted only 5% from my money today for commission though - they actually took out 12.3% from the $3.40 which I actually won today leaving me with $2.98. And of course it gets worse if your chasing losses in recovery mode.

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Old 9th June 2011, 10:47 PM
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What race was it Ocho and who was the winner? If it was race 2 at Gosford Awi Acting then the bot I am using said I wasn't matched at $5.70......I will be quite angry if in fact it paid higher than that and I wasn't matched at $5.70.


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Old 9th June 2011, 11:22 PM
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mattio

Here is the results for the first 6 races but in sim mode it doesn't say what race or where it was.

After a bit of snooping I found it was race 3 at Murwillumbah won by Chopped which paid $9.2 on VIC TAB (remember the selections had to be over $6 for this testing which lost for the day betting on every race over $6).

Awi Acting paid $5.90 on VIC TAB but had an SP of 5.1 on betfair and also started 2nd fav on betfair

Full Market Name Selection Price Profit And Loss
11:28 R1 1530m Mdn\14. Diamond Mistress 14. Diamond Mistress 8.2 -1
11:55 R2 1200m 2yo\4. Joyous Lady 4. Joyous Lady 10.5 -1
12:03 R2 1400m Hcap\10. Ma Ma I Love You 10. Ma Ma I Love You 7.4 -1
12:21 R1 1700m Mdn\8. Frantasmic 8. Frantasmic 6.4 -1
12:30 R3 1000m Mdn\6. Merida Zeus 6. Merida Zeus 11.5 -1
12:38 R3 1400m Hcap\3. Chopped 3. Chopped 9.4 8.4

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Old 9th June 2011, 11:27 PM
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Thanks Ocho, looks like it would have been about the 7th bet had the bot gone past 6, oh well them's the breaks. Just had a winner in the 4th on UK which softened the blow a little.

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