hi crash,

im curious, what form service do you subscribe to?

if possible could you email me at sirbecks@hotmail.com i would be very grateful.

In 38yrs of punting I've never heard of an 'Off-midfield runner' [?] Is that a horse that runs off the track at the turn from a mid-field position? :-))

The runners I supplied here were not from studied form, just as listed according to my criteria. I check horse history regularly and personally find PastthePost fairly accurate in the nominated running category they list the horses [I ignore maidens and 2yr. old races]. Their time-form analysis which I use as part of final bet selection, is better than anywhere on the net in my opinion and their ratings as an initial guide aren't too bad either. Horse running position at such low class meetings as the one you mention that are also DEAD and SLOW, are always going to be a bit iffy or 'hows your father'. Regardless of source.

Anyhow, wherever or how punters check horse's usual running position [where they mostly are on the turn] and form, the purpose of this thread is to encourage more thought about pace, not to create a tipping thread or to promote any particular form service . Checking horse history to work out a horse's most common running position, is free on certain sites, but horrendously slow of course. Where punters get their form info. paid for or free, is their call.


Cheers.

Some of these might be worth a look at today [PP odds]:

Wed. 16/5/07
SANDOWN-HILLSIDE
2/5 0x62 She Does It (5)" L 7.50
5/10 0134 Telecom Boom (13)" L 9.00
6/9 26x2 Red Jesteress (6)" B 15.00
7/14 340x Impinge (NZ) (17)" B 11.00
8/14 5x32 Saliente (15)" L 12.00
9/14 2x73 Sopratutto (12)" L 17.00
BALAKLAVA
5/4 1025 Rude 'n' Abrupt (9)" L 4.00
6/5 6381 Towngossip (9)" L 4.60
7/6 0035 Sedbergh (10)" B 6.00
EAGLE FARM
5/1 x006 Auditorium (5)" L 6.00
6/1 x100 Quizzical Lady (4)" L 2.00
8/7 2203 Annigoni (1)" B 13.00 [can often easily slip out the back from this alley with a deliberate slow jump away].
9/5 4336 Final Crunch (7)" L 7.00
BELMONT PARK
8/6 3x08 Young ********** (1)" L 7.50
RANDWICK-KENSING
1/3 3487 Ashkabar (6)" L 6.00
4/5 6325 Grizz (NZ) (9)" L 9.00
6/4 71x Colpetty (10)" B 15.00
7/9 6x80 Abacazam (NZ) (9)" L 17.00
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Crash,

Just interested in your thoughts on the barrier position in relation to a backmaker vs a leader.

Do you find it has a long term impact ? ie Leaders from inside positions are going to find it much easier then from wider barriers. I don't think inside barriers affect backmakers as much as they can start off slow if they want to.

Good Luck.

I have found backmarkers from inside alleys [except perhaps barrier 1 or 2 say] more or less have to go forward with the pace for general field safety reasons and require a good senior jockey [and a bit of luck] usually, to get into a winning position from anywhere except outside alleys.

From the outside alleys, far less experience is required and overall outside barrier lanes suit Backmarkers as much as inside lanes suit leaders. Safety is always a big thing and most jockeys drawn badly on backmarkers will be there for the scenery as they like to go home at night. If it's a big race [$$$] they might take a few worthwhile risks.

Sole leaders require riders with a good judge of pace [senior Jockey in most cases] or they will burn out before the post with poor pace judgment. Inside barriers are best but it's not that hard for a lone leader with a good jockey to cross early from the outside lanes as long as they get a clean jump away [stuffed otherwise]. 1100m + distances for obvious reasons, recommended in those situations though.

Obviously by their SP's I didn't back 90% of these!

Wed. 16/5/07
SANDOWN-HILLSIDE
12.23pm. 2/5 0x62 She Does It (5)" L 4.20sp [oh no she didn't today!]
2.08pm. 5/10 0134 Telecom Boom (13)" L 6.10sp
2.43pm. 6/9 26x2 Red Jesteress (6)" B 15.20sp
3.18pm. 7/14 340x Impinge (NZ) (17)" B 19.60sp
3.55pm. 8/14 5x32 Saliente (15)" L 10.30sp
4.35pm. 9/14 2x73 Sopratutto (12)" L 22.10sp
BALAKLAVA
2.53pm 5/4 1025 Rude 'n' Abrupt (9)" L 2.70sp [2.70w 1.50p]
3.28pm 6/5 6381 Towngossip (9)" L 5.40sp
4.08pm. 7/6 0035 Sedbergh (10)" B 4.20sp [4.20w 2.10p]
EAGLE FARM
2.00pm. 5/1 x006 Auditorium (5)" L 28.60sp
2.35pm. 6/1 x100 Quizzical Lady (4)" L 2.00sp [1.30p]
3.48pm. 8/7 2203 Annigoni (1)" B 6.80sp
4.28pm. 9/5 4336 Final Crunch (7)" L 22.20sp
BELMONT PARK
6.32pm. 8/6 3x08 Young ********** (1)" L 35.40sp
RANDWICK-KENSING
12.38pm. 1/3 3487 Ashkabar (6)" L 3.60sp
2.25pm. 4/5 6325 Grizz (NZ) (9)" L 8.20sp
3.35pm. 6/4 71x Colpetty (10)" B 52.40sp
4.15pm. 7/9 6x80 Abacazam (NZ) (9)" L 75.30sp

thanks for the repsonse.