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Old 13th March 2012, 03:09 PM
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What's the US liquidity like these days? Last time I looked it was pretty poor - similar to the NZ markets.

Can you make a decent buck there?
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Old 13th March 2012, 03:50 PM
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Reckon you need a much bigger sample Vortech, to go forward with any confidence.

Isn't this why we use a confidence intervals.
The larger the sample the less the interval (+/-)
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Old 13th March 2012, 04:06 PM
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What's the US liquidity like these days? Last time I looked it was pretty poor - similar to the NZ markets.

Can you make a decent buck there?


Liquidity is fine except for the outsiders, or those outside the top few prices.
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Old 13th March 2012, 06:28 PM
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Isn't this why we use a confidence intervals.
The larger the sample the less the interval (+/-)


Not too sure about any of that Vortech, never really looked at it - personally I don't proceed with any method/system until I have a substantial result set that passes a chi-test & plots a positive bell curve.
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Old 13th March 2012, 07:38 PM
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Do you have an example of how the chi-test works?
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Old 13th March 2012, 08:39 PM
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Do you have an example of how the chi-test works?


Here ...

http://www.propun.com.au/racing_for...74&postcount=30
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Old 13th March 2012, 09:40 PM
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Using my test sample

You have 30 winners from 50 selections

30 winners, 20 losers. Avg Dividend $4.00
Expected number of winners is 1/4 = 0.25
Normalise the market to from 115% is 0.25/1.15 = 0.21739

50 Selections so multiply by 0.21739 to get the expected winners

Gives 10.87 winners expected

Expected losers is 50 - 10.87 = 39.13

Observed winners = 30 A1
Observed losers = 20 B1
Expected winners = 10.87 A2
Expected losers = 39.13 B2

Put this into excel as CHITEST =CHITEST(A1:B1,A2:B2) on get something like 0.0000005%

Are these the chances of the system continuing? I'm very interested in hearing others thoughts

Even making the Avg Dividend like $3.00 more realistic is still giving a very very low %

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Old 13th March 2012, 09:47 PM
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Are these the chances of the system continuing? I'm very interested in hearing others thoughts


No it's the chance that the observed results where not due to luck. Frankly though you don't need a Chi-Test to tell you that 60% winners at ave div of $4.00 isn't due to luck
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Old 13th March 2012, 09:57 PM
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So what is a punter trying to achieve from these results. More confidence in a system long term with a higher % from the Chi-Test?
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Old 13th March 2012, 10:49 PM
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More confidence with a low %. The lower the % the less chance the results were due to luck.
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