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Race Rating Help
Hi all,
I'm looking at rating current and past races (not horses), and give them a value of between 1 and 100 (or more). My predicament is that is a Maiden of first starters at say a country track, be given the same rating as that of a Metro track? One would think that trainers would enter horses of better quality at a Metro track, than that of some country track. The same would go for a BM64 at Geelong would not be the same strength as that of one at a Metro track and not all Group 1 races should be allocated the same number, for example a Golden Slipper (in my opinion), should not be rated the same as a Cox Plate, and of course I personally think a Cox Plate is higher than a Melbourne Cup. With a few exceptions of course Cox Plate runners go on to win other Group 1 races, whereas Melbourne Cup runners usually come back for the Melbourne Cup again and have a pretty poor record in other Group 1 races, again with some exceptions. Any input greatly received
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No input or even ideas?
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Not sure this will help you but the way i use to rate races was like this, each class from my perceived lowest to highest was give a number like this.
G1 3 GROUP1 3 GP1 3 G2 5 GROUP2 5 GP2 5 GP2 5 G3 7 GROUP3 7 GP3 7 Listed 9 LR 9 Quality 10 Open 12 HCP 12 HANDICAP 12 100 12 96 13 95 13 94 13 93 13 92 13 91 13 90 13 Class 6 13 Cl6 13 C6 13 3MW 15 2MW 15 WELTER 16 Flying 16 90 18 89 18 88 18 87 18 86 18 85 18 1MW 18 0MW 18 One Metro Win 18 No Metro Wins 18 Set Weights plus Penalties 20 Class 5 21 Cl5 21 C5 21 84 21 83 21 82 21 81 21 80 21 79 21 78 24 77 24 76 24 75 24 74 24 73 24 72 24 71 24 Class 4 25 Cl4 25 C4 25 Class 3 27 Cl3 27 C3 27 70 30 69 30 68 30 67 30 66 30 65 30 64 32 63 32 62 32 61 32 60 32 59 32 Class 2 34 Cl2 34 C2 34 Class 1 36 Cl1 36 C1 36 58 39 57 39 56 39 55 39 54 39 53 39 52 39 51 39 50 39 MAIDEN 42 MDN 42 I also included these special penalties. 3Y 5 3YO 5 3F 5 2Y 8 2YO 8 2F 8 FM 3 MARES 3 F&M 3 C&G 3 CG&E 3 WFA -2 I also used this race value component. IF(AU3="","",IF(AU3<10000,14,IF(AU3<25000,12,IF(AU3<40000,10,IF(AU3<70000,6,0))))) So if the last race was 50k Open it would get a score of 18 If todays race was a 75k Open the score would be 12 I would calculate 18-12 to get 6, the lower the better
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In general I would rate Metro slightly higher |
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Agree |
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Agree |
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All 2yo/3yo G1s would be inferior imo |
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Hi Chrome,
I found this chart for Victorian class/weight ratings which may help . Rather than type out the whole thing here is a link. http://aussieraces.com/victorian_ra...lasses_134.html Hope it's not against forum rules. If you can't access it because of the rules I'll type it all out. I think NSW racing has the equivalent class/weight ratings as Victoria. For Qld,SA and WA subtract 3.0 kg from the Vic and NSW figures. Tasmanian ratings are generally between 1.5 kg and 3.0 less than QLD,SA and WA. NT ratings are generally 1.5 to 3.0 kg less than Tasmania The Victorian chart is from one source and the adjustment by subtracting for different States is from another x-pert. Also according to the x-pert races 18oom and over don't contain the same strength as shorter races and 2.0kg should be deducted from the relevant State class/weight rating. I'm presuming that he is not including G1,G2,G3 and Cox Plate Melbourne Cup etc |
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Hi Shaun, I am very new to this forum, I am a full time Horse Racing Analysis. I'm retired and can spend more time on my projects and Systems. I was given your Consensus speadsheet from a friend. I would love to discuss the spreadsheet and it's workings a little more in detail, I think it is a great spreadsheet and you shure have a gift. I was a member of cyberhorse forum many years ago, it was manly for Bet Selector Users, as usual, a lot of bad and insulting post spoilt the forum and it stopped. I did a Class Rating some years ago, members may be interested in. It was based on Benchmark ratings, for example, Benchmark 58 would be Rated a 58, it was to gauge the actual official Handicap of the horse. If you looked at a horse's official Hcp and deducted the Benchmark or Class as listed below, you could get an indication of the Race strength. Code:
You will see in this table, Class 1 =BM58 to Group I 125 as well. Just another way of looking at Class Ratings. Last edited by Unstable : 5th April 2022 at 11:56 AM. |
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My original ratings were started from the cyberhorse VFG, buck then i would copy and paste the data to excel before i started to use vba to import data.
I now use python to import the same data from the TAB. The ratings i listed may look a little strange as they are used to look up this data from imported form, i have always had issues with comparing country, provincial and metro form, incorporating the race prizemoney helps.
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