Overall I have no issue with getting matched when arbing. Haven't seen any arbs today though.. pretty weird.

not doubting anything said before but my experience is that to be set for $200 at odds of about $8 to $15 is near impossible most days, that's for backing.

Saturday mets is slightly different but not much.

Hows about around the $50-100 range, blackdog. A near certainty most days?

LG

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qué?

Blackdog, you said that to get set at 200 quid backing is near impossible at 8s to 15s, at what range are you likely to get on most of the time with this odds range?

<$200
$100 - 200
$50 - 100 etc

LG

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I think what we have here is a failure to communicate, and I'm certain it's entirely my fault having a poor command of the English language.

I bet in the range of $6 to $25 and my usual bet would be $200.

Early on when BF started, it was hardly a problem to get matched.

Only the last couple of years or so that I encountered this problem, so much so that I mostly give BF the flick, to wait for a match fighting bots you might miss placing a bet on other mediums.

All understood. Thank you for elaborating.

Cheers LG

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I looked at a trots meet where I had a bet. The Around figures are the liquidity.

1. BOLD AND FAMOUS = 7.6 / 7.2 Around $80 / $150
2. STARZZZ ON PARADE = 540.0 / 95.0 Around $80 / $120
3. BACMANTURNER = 26.0 / 16.5 Around $70 / $50
4. LUCK PLEASE = 17.0 / 14.5 Around $70 / $60
5. THE PLAINSMAN = 17.0 / 16.0 Around $40 / $50
6. SUNSHINE FILLY = 7.0 / 5.8 Around $50 / $50
7. DREAMTIME SARA = 1.91 / 1.88 Around $500 / $400

Its not a great market. Its on late and not many people in the pool.

For the backers it really sucks . But for the layers there is more then enough liquidity.

If I want to lay $200 liability I can do it on any of those horses easily. Its really only a backers $10 on some of them.

So I see what you mean but most of my systems are laying systems and thus I see lots of liquidity for my liability amounts.

I think it demonstrates a few things.
For backers, it sucks and actually this is one of the better markets, some of the country races are far worse than this, so there must be a bit of interest in this race.

Look at the spread for anything bar Bold and Famous and Dreamtime Sara, it's almost impossible to get any value.

From a lay aspect:
2. STARZZZ ON PARADE Betfair: 540.0 Fixed: 51.00
3. BACMANTURNER Betfair: 26.0 Fixed: 13.00
4. LUCK PLEASE Betfair: 17.0 Fixed: 11.00
5. THE PLAINSMAN Betfair: 17.0 Fixed: 10.00
6. SUNSHINE FILLY Betfair: 7.0 Fixed: 4.60

Anyone can see at a glance that it's impossible to lay any of these horses, and make money at these odds plus commission.
The point is that the spread in the market is just too great due to the lack of liquidity.

It's not all doom and gloom there are still many aspects of the exchange that are well worthwhile, just a dismay at how the Premium Charges have caused so much damage to liquidity.

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I agree the premium charge has had an effect but I made money on the race. And I'll continue making money on these races as long as there are a few punters around.

At least the soccer still has large sums of cash on them and if I need to I can move to that sport more heavily