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Old 8th August 2013, 12:20 AM
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Adding to the great strider stable, so far I have
Photon Willie
Octavia
Gregers
Henwood

Adding Montgomery from the hurdle at Sandown and Recycle Prince which showed enormous length of stride to run over the top of them and win hands and heels.

I'm going to record punting profit/loss and prizemoney won.
Whether or not I can make a profit punting on them remains to be seen, but I do think that these horses are worth cyber "claiming" for prizemoney.
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Old 8th August 2013, 08:51 AM
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Hope your not putting money on them Chrome.
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Old 8th August 2013, 11:44 AM
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Of course I am darky.

Back to Altius who I have a poor opinion of stride wise.
The upside of this non performer, is that he will be extraordinary value for anyone wanting to send a mare to him.
His lack of champion status, will discount his sire fees.
I have a feeling on breeding, he won't be cheap, but certainly reasonable value.

Looking into his lineage, he has truly blue blood.
Redoute's Choice
Danehill
Marscay
Zamazaan
Biscay
Danzig
Northern Dancer
Canny Lad
Star Kingdom
Bletchingly
Sir Ivor (Sire of Sir Tristram)

Altius simply lacks the stride, sending a well bred mare to him, could certainly result in a champion.
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Old 9th August 2013, 10:07 AM
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Kinz Funky Monkey goes around in the DaisyCutter Handicap at Del Mar USA on Saturday.
It's stepping up in grade to a stakes race.
Will be watching with interest and will have an interest eachway.
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Old 9th August 2013, 10:57 AM
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BETFAIR or Willy Hilly?

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Old 9th August 2013, 05:53 PM
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Betfair SP LG, worth a shot at the probable odds and considering the stride and breeding and the fact that Kinz won last two starts.
Here's Kinz in action:

http://youtu.be/ttgiauT5gpk

The Green Monkey had what is called a "rotary gallop", which produces short bursts of speed, but is ineffective as distances get longer. This would explain his blistering one furlong time and his subsequent failure as a racehorse.
Here he is at a breeze up prior to sale:

http://youtu.be/SrzIIeHU2ik

He had some problems with injury such as a gluteal muscle tear as a 2yo, but his stride is what bothered me, seems I wasn't alone....

Analysis of the extreme racing gait of an elite Thoroughbred is perhaps the area where the information provided by high-speed kinetics most seems to throw open a door to the previously unseen and unknown.

Jeff Seder of EQB Agents and Consultants in West Grove, Pennsylvania, began with a business and filmmaking background. He applied what he knew to getting good film of racehorses. He also began collecting data on elite equine athletes by attending Thoroughbred sales.

"Prior databases [mostly academic] included average athletes, and the information did not exist to describe the elite horse," Seder said. "So we became obsessive-compulsive about getting good data." Experts like Clayton agree.

"Mr. Seder has amassed a wealth of data and has been generous in providing that information for study," she said. Seder has published much of his data in a series of articles that evaluates the various detailed phases of gait in racing Thoroughbreds. Perhaps more controversially, he also wrote an article that relates racing performance to foreleg flight patterns among 900 unraced two-year-olds offered at major sales in the United States. Seder listed a group of 73 horses with "good" motion and a group of 77 horses with "bad" motion. The latter group showed extraneous foreleg motion, including hyper-rotation of the cannon bone (hoof hitting an elbow in extreme cases); winging, paddling, or wobbling; and other deviations from straight and correct motion.

"Good" movers were patterned more closely after the ideal. All horses compared were matched to have workouts of similar velocity.

The subsequent North American racing performances of these two groups were evaluated. Seder concluded what proponents of high-speed gait analysis had hoped for when the technology first began to be used. He wrote: "Extraneous foreleg motion was shown to be related to subsequent racing earnings and the level of competition attained. Horses with good foreleg motion (as defined and determined with high-speed film evaluation) earned more and had greater stakes-level success (83% higher earnings) than horses with bad foreleg motion."

Seder's data also has yielded information about high-leg-action horses and turf racing, about the lack of performance predictability when trying to use only velocity and length- of-stride measurements, and several other very technical facts about the vast differences and arrays of phases contained within the racing gait of the horse.

Seder pointed out that The Green Monkey, a Forestry colt recently purchased for $16-million at the Fasig-Tipton Calder sale of selected two-year-olds in training, had a fabulous 9.8-second workout, but high-speed film revealed that the entire work was done at a rotary gallop, a very quick gait that can produce fast times but costs more energy. In Seder's opinion, such a gait is unlikely to be maintained for longer distances. High-speed analysis of that horse's motion leaves questions in Seder's mind and puts tremendous, maybe excessive, expectations on the horse. "Really good horses have a number of ways to run fast," Seder said. "And if they are 'correct' in their motion, they will be able to generate more power and speed without tiring out or breaking down."

Seder did not set out to ruin the careers of those horses that were deemed to have bad motion in his study, and in a bit of kill-the-messenger mentality, he said he has sometimes not been well received within the racing industry.

"Roughly 80% of horses bred for the track will have some sort of problem and never make it to an elite status," Seder said. "The history of science is that innovation is met with skepticism. I'm just taking science and playing probabilities, looking for those horses that, based on our data of gait and motion analysis, have a higher chance of making it."

Whether you use the latest in cameras, high-speed analysis, and data evaluation, or you hang near the rail to find a way of going that pleases your eye, everyone is looking for the same thing--a horse that has a good chance to make it.


*Article courtesy of Elite Thoroughbreds.
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Old 9th August 2013, 06:02 PM
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One would notice the difference between the two strides.
"Kinz" has a long stride, and leads from the shoulder stretching out the forelegs and springing off the hindlegs.
Whereas "Green" had a short paddling stride. It would have taken twice as much energy to cover the same ground, and at a slower speed!
He lifted his front legs like a trotter rather than stretching out from the shoulder and using his front legs to continue the motion, much like mentioned in the above article as rotary action.

Is this why they breezed him over merely one furlong in almost record breaking time? Horses with this action can be fast, super fast, but simply cannot maintain it. Very similar to a racing quarter horse.
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Old 9th August 2013, 06:21 PM
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Henwood races tomorrow in Race 6 Flemington.
Looks to be favourite.
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Old 10th August 2013, 12:32 PM
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Kinz Funky Monkey ran 3rd at Del Mar.
Backed it eachway on the tote, as Betfair weren't covering the race.
Was a big step up in grade to a Stakes race against older horses, so pretty satisfied with the placing.
Will put up the video, as it comes to hand.
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Old 10th August 2013, 07:28 PM
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Henwood ran second today.
Still happy with his action and indeed the run.

So far the "stable" has had two starts for one second placing and earned $18,000 in prizemoney.
Betting action is minus 2 units.
Both Henwood and Photon Willie are showing the same length of stride and action still, so I think there's more to come.

Adding a couple more to the stable from today:
Bonne Nuit
Rain Affair

Stable of striders:
Bonne Nuit
Gregers
Henwood
Montgomery
Octavia
Photon Willie
Rain Affair
Recycle Prince
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