With the help of Wesmip and his automation abilities the class ratings method i was mucking around with a few weeks back has come to fruition.

Rather than list every horse and every rating which i dont have time for ill list two groups of bets,all selctions are clear top raters,meaning the next highest horse isnt within 25% of the top rater.

Group 1 (field size 10 or more starters)
BR3 - 2
BR7 - 4
SR4 - 1
SR5 - 1
SR7 - 10
SR8 - 2
MR4 -8
MR7 -1
MR8 -3
AR7 - 2

Group 2 (fields of less than 10 starters)
SR1 -2
SR2 -1
MR1 -4
MR2 - 1
MR3 - 5
MR5 - 1
AR3 - 2
PR5 - 5
PR6 - 1


My money is on group 1 but group 2 has the better quality horse,it should be interesting to see how they go.

Stop the fight its all over.

Group 1 even with the weight of my money in a comprehensive victory,nah forget victory its a knock out.

Todays results -

Group 1 (field size 10 or more starters)
BR3 - 2 3rd 1.70
BR7 - 4 1st 1.90 1.30
SR4 - 1 3rd 2.30
SR5 - 1 2nd 1.40
SR7 - 10 2nd 3.10
SR8 - 2 X
MR4 -8 1st 5.20 1.90
MR7 -1 X
MR8 -3 X
AR7 - 2 1st 29.50 5.50

10 bets
3 wins = $36.60 (+$26.60
7 places =$17.20 (+$7.20)


Group 2 (fields of less than 10 starters)
SR1 -2 X
SR2 -1 2nd 1.10
MR1 -4 2nd 4.80
MR2 - 1 1st 2.20 1.2.0
MR3 - 5 1st 2.80 1.40
MR5 - 1 2nd 1.40
AR3 - 2 1st 2.50 1.20
PR5 - 5 X
PR6 - 1 1st 2.20 1.60


9 bets
4 wins = $9.70 (+.70c)
7 places = $13.20 (+$4.20)


Total
19 bets
7 wins = $46.30 (+$27.30)
14 places = $30.50 (+$16.50)


Things are even worse for the small field runers if i drop the limit to 9 starters or more,considering the small amount of other contenders they have to beat the small field runners really dissapoint.

Its more than just the lower average dividends,to me its all about pace and trueness of the race,my opinion is that most class horses perform better in larger fields where the margin for error is greater and the best horse is more likely to win the race.

Dale,

Both paid off quite well for the place.
Looking good so far ...

Good Luck

Wes. or Dale - I am not awake yet - could you run your pens over the
place additions\result\total please ?

Lets think hypothetical. Just suppose some jocks wanted to rig a race result [no accusations here, just a theoretical exercise as we all know jockies would NEVER do such a thing], what size fields would they choose? Correct, very small ones [a hypothetical guess of course].

Have a look at races with 8 [usualy 6 or 7] or less runners and how many winners there are that are mostly the 2nd longest priced runner [the longest would usualy be too obvious] ..... anyone else smell fish [hypotheticaly speaking] or opportunity?

Just a few example over the last 3 days [only]:

4Aug. Rosehill r1/4 ROYAL DISCRETION 16.30 [longest odds 6 runners]

3 Aug. Ipswich r1/7 PUFF THE MAGIC 20.70 [2nd longest odds 6 starters]

2 Aug. Mackey r1/7 RATHER FIERY 13.90 [2nd longest odds 8
starters]

2 Aug. Hawsbury r2/7 RATHER FIERY 13.90 [2nd longest odds 6 starters]

They go on and on as fare back as you want to look at results and [seem to] happen very regularly.

Sun.
Werribee r1/1 and 9 the win [9 runners but 1 scr.]
Kalgoolie r1/1 and 5 the win [5 runners]

Good grief Crash .

Your not talking "boat "races here are you.?

Perish the thought.

darky.

Wes the within 25% idea only came to me yesterday in an effort to save time posting all selctions,i agree so far things are looking good,im happy with how the ratings are performing,theyre far from perfect and very raw but if you pick the right races it keeps producing.

Someone from the MP forum was saying he cleaned up last week just taking the top two in a quinella,he was dissapointed i dint list the top 3 this week,we might have to get together and work out a public page hey.

Crash ive got a slightly less cynical veiw of things,its all about pace.

I think it was you who posted a while back saying pace was the key to finding winners,i didnt reply at the time but i think you have something there,what i would add to it is to look for horses who have performed well in a field size similar to todays race,thats a bit easier to line up than trying to work out speed maps etc.

If i wasnt up to my ears in these ratings i think thats would be what im doing.