I am wondering if any of you with databases, happen to have any systems which you know of that are slight losers, or break even at best. Am after some base systems to tinker with, applying my own filters to try and kick into profit. Ideally I would like something that is a high turnover win system to begin with. Anyone keen to help me out? Not too worried if they throw up a couple of selections in a race. Just want something to play with over the next few months while I take a break before starting back up work full time.

Thorns, I've got a couple of simple methods I was using a long time ago. They went ok but haven't paid them much heed. In these days of lots of meetings and available form they'd get a bit of action. Their big downfall was restricted action which led to a loss of interest.
I called them 'The Fresh Approach' and 'Ten Down'. Punters' Choice actually gave me a bit of a pat on the back for Fresh Approach for looking at a different angle. That was about 1985. Let me know how we can exchange material if you're interested.

Yeah, would be interested in that. exchanging details is hard. However I am a big fan of winnerinsix ratings and enjoy a discussion there.

Thorns, I think this may be a bit too simple for what you're after but has good results: level stakes win only BEST TOTE/SP or if country best of NSW/Supertab (Sportsbet)
(1) 100 rating (unitab)
(2) last start winner within 21 days.
(3) Pre-post fav (WA TAB-Form (available free on -line) may work with other publications but dont know.

thats it

1. 4yo Horses Only
2. <=1600m races
3. Not resuming from a spell
4. $3 or less favourite

Selections 3,874
Wins 1,572 (S/R 40.6%)
Places 2,744 (S/R 70.8%)
WLOT -5.7%
PLOT -4.5%

5. Not racing at same track

Selections 2,233
Wins 929 (S/R 41.6%)
Places 1,577 (S/R 70.6%)
WLOT -2.6%
PLOT -4.3%

Good luck...

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Cheers guys, exactly the sort of ideas I am after.

Top Weight

Fav

Won Last start

Same Distance .

Same jockey.

Cheers.
darky

1. Field of 10 or less
2. place strike rate of 50% +
3. barriers 1, 2 or 3
4. last run finished 1, 2 or 3 in a field of 14+

Hi guys and in particular Partypooper,

Your simple plan surrounding the favourite caught my attention. Have you any sort of stats on this plan,..? I dont have access to any great data base, but I have collected some books over the years written by "professionals in this game". So I dont think I am allowed to give my resources out here, but, some of the stats I have come up with on favs are:

A winning fav who was a last start winner, won 35% of its races.
" " " second, won 24% of its races.
" " " third, won 10% of its races.
These stats DO NO include first uppers or first starters. The actual win % of these for favs is pretty low ( 8% and 3%).

A couple of other interesting stats for favs is the prizemoney factor, based on ranked order of prizemoney.

Favs with the top ranked PM win 36% of their races.

Then we have the Win Strike ranking order.

Favs with the top ranked Win Strike win 31% of their races.

Then we come to the "Days since last start". This is what my source book tells me in relation to favs:

7 days and less 10%
14 days 46%
21 days 20%
28 days 4%
29 plus 11%

I have a few other stats on here also, but I dont want to go on and on.

So what do we then make of all this. See if I can get my brain around a few things here, just thought I would toss these around, more minds are better than one.

Paul

G'day all, Pauls123 question. unfortunately I only kept stats for Perth over 4 years = 39+ S/R and almost 7% POT, I mucked around with this and increased the POT substancially but the result of course was not enough bets. I stress though that I always bet best of 3 totes or (SP) @ Sportsbet.
Maybe some of the men with the data available can shed some light on how this plan performs in the other states Metro only or overall inc. country?????