nice,
read some material by a fella who looked into weight and he stated that weight wont stop a train

Read that Malcolm Knowles booklet myself.

Very interesting indeed.
Cheers.
darky.

I didnt wont to drop names here but yeh, very interesting reading on weight, other great stuff from him in that package also !

Take care

Dingo

Disagree guys put enough weight on a train and it will stop.Goes for anything.

Why handicap horses at all if the weight makes no difference.

Got me beat too, Kiwi. Make em all set weights or WFA and don't worry about it. Of course,even that doesnt work correctly (since 50-1 shots still get up in "classics" like the SA Derby 9 days back) Or, more fairly, every horse in every race carries a set percentage of it's bodyweight (say 10 or 15) ,meaning that we would then see which really is "pound for pound" the best horse!!

My logic about an extra kilo is right but my argument was wrong.
One kilo on the back of a 500 kilo animal don't make jack of a difference to the horses performance.
But once the horse already has 50 kilos on board,that extra kilo then could be a huge difference.
Here's my proof.

Olympic Games - Weightlifting.
We all must have seen it.
3 chances to get the 3 white lights.
Once these huge athletes get close to their limit,the extra kilo or so seems to be too much of a burden.
And the event only takes a few seconds to complete to its finale.
If they had to carry that weight for a kilometre?.It ain't gonna happen.

And if you can accept that then it opens up another form factor that could increase profits.

Weight carrying ability.

I'm sure in a previous life I read about a horses maximum weight carrying ability.Maybe in Rem Plantes' book.
Once a horse gets handicapped to a certain weight,he stops winning in those types of races and is moved up in class or WFA.
How many horses do you see win carrying 60 kilos or more?

So what I am suggesting is that a horse can win a city race with 48 kilos,but would not be able to win an improvers in the bush with 60 or so.

And having associates in the building trade,Kenchar,housebricks in fact weigh 3 kilos,with or without holes.So if your bricks are weighing under a kilo on your scales,I shudder to think how much you would weigh on a set of accurate scales!.

6 x 80 = 480kgs.AWESOME!

And Dingoboy.You never cease to amaze me.

Sure did stop my son's motorized scooter from taking me up the driveway.
Locomotives ain't bin horses since the Wild,Wild West days.

Nail on the head there Kiwi.
Talking about heads.Nice to see someone else using theirs.
Unless handicapping is some sort of sinister New World plot to stop us from reaching Nirvana!

gday all

i drive em for a living and trust me. Weight will stop a train every time. It's not just a saying it is a fact

But don't let that stop you backing the toppie carrying 62 kg in an open handicap.. If you keep backing those horses you will go broke.. Neil runs an intersting article on horses that weight did stop in the newsletter. I think ( he can correct me) that horses carrying 59kg or more as a general rule are dud bets ..

For those who have a decent data base, run your successful sytems thru and play with the max weight carried and I reckon you may be surprised what a difference a kilo here a kilo there does make over a period of time.. Personally, 57.5 - 58 kg (on the flat) is about as much as I want a horse to carry if it has my cash on board.. and I prefer them to have less if possible.. but as ever each to their own.

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Almost a perfect argument except there arew always exceptions.
Only examples I remember were Forest Boy and Prize Lad back when The Professor used to ride for Armanasco.
These horses won plenty of races carrying over 60 kilos.
64 even.
So most can't but some can.Suggest there are many who struggle with 52 kilos or more!