who wants to know the truth. i know i really do. first of all it is totally possible to win at roulette but that does not mean its easy. it is also possible to predict where the ball will drop assuming you know what you are doing and take into account the fact that even if you find a section spinning croupier the is still a chance the ball will bounce to much or hang on the inside of the wheel for a few spins.

i will say it now, i am a croupier. and i am getting quite good at landing the ball where i want it. yes its possible dont try and tell me its not cos i can do it. atm after establishing a base spin on my 1st spin, usually about 30 times round the wheel. after that i can start to predict where the ball will go i can normally get it withing 5 numbers either side of where i want it to go. this is more than enough accuracy to beat someone who is chasing my numbers. but back to winning. if you happen to find a trainee dealer they tend to spin about the same speed ball and wheel each spin this can make the ball drop into about 8 number on the wheel with a stupidly high amount of accuracy. and makes it very profitable. with an expierianced dealer yo uwont get this. and they will be trying to beat you they wont just be spinning randomly. i think its easier to win also if the table is full. the dealer is much less likely to be able to section spin on a full table as there is no point where ever it lands someone usually wins. out side bets are pretty much pointless and serious players dont even bother with them. i cant think of anything else to say really. hope this made for an interesting read.

I know what you're talking about, and this is one of the ways I always mention when these fools come here talking about betting systems.

The ways to beat roulette:

1. Rigged game (ie dealer shooting for your section)
2. Flawed wheel (don't even bother)
3. Prediction using physics, almost only done with a computer. These do actually exist but they are illegal. I believe it's 1 year in jail and/or a $10k fine.

Now croupiers aiming for the empty sections of the wheel, is that because you guys are evil or because the management encourages it? If you find an experienced dealer and bet on the emptier areas of the table will they still try to screw the table or move to just wanting to screw you?

Peronally I wouldn't think the dealers & croupiers would want you to lose. You'd want to work in a positive/friendly enviroment. I guess that's why I'd assume it's the management encouraging it.

ah yeh, it's probally good if you told these guys (as a croupier) that betting systems (by that meaning just varying betsize or basing a bet off previous results) do NOT work. They seem to think that maths doesn't apply to them.

why. well it depends, if i am dealing to a high roller i wont think twice about trying to take all his money. but you get some people in who aint trying to come in and win loads of cash and that being the case i usually dont bother to try and beat them i will even try to help them a bit. it depends on how i feel. management dont like high rollers to win for obvious reasons. but even though i can place it for the most part. you have to factor in that sometimes it does not fall well. it can bouce too much or roll round the wheel and then it can go anywhere. also i am still quite new to the game and even when i try i dont always do it. yesterday infact i ************ed up span number 18 on a no game someone came over. cos i was on a no game i was not even trying at all to place my spins. he bet on 18 and its neigbours cos i had no bearings i span 18 again. oops lol he had 25 quid on each number and took 1500 off me total after about 20 spins.

I love roulette. Its my fav game at the casino. Theres only 3 ways to win at roulette and that is.
- luck
- discipline
- a proper system
I dont play at tables anymore,I dont like the dealers to see what Im betting or the public. I prefer rapid roulette or in other words computer screens in front of you with the dealer in the middle. I stay away from numbers for my main bets

fan, you are right. You need good luck if you are using a betting system :wink:

Rapid roulette using double zero right? Great invention. Much high turnover with a higher house edge than normal (most aussie wheels seem to be single zero) which means more $$$$$ for the casino.

I'm not gonna tell anyone of these guys they can't beat roulette without using one of the methods I've mentioned. I'm just going to let them lose everything they won and then some. They seem to think the mathematics of gambling doesn't apply to them. They seem to think they can beat the house by just varying bet size or adjusting based on past results, but they are all fooling themselves. Casino's are built for the sole purpose of taking your money. It's funny how money can make so many people so foolish.

edit was I called these people stupid but that might offend some people so I changed it to foolish.

[ This Message was edited by: Mr J on 2004-10-30 20:15 ]

I admit at the start I did lose to roulette.This was because of discipline. It was hard to walk away. I ve learnt the only way youll suceed is to look at a dollar as a real dollar.
Ive stayed away from the casinos and stuck with clubs. Single zeros exist there.
Correct when you said that casinos are made to take your money. Ive heard a thousand more losing stories at a casino than a winning one. For those whove won, down the track greed took over them.
A rule I stick to is once ive reached my target, ill buy a drink and leave asap.
I dont know why some members on this forum say roulette cant be beaten. I dont wanna make a fortune out of it. Ive stuck with my system and my target is $150. i cant see where you can make $150 tax free in under 2 hours. Its a better target than going for the thousands and risking everything.

I still don't get why some people don't think you can win at roulette...

It is as simple as changing your bet based on past spins. Simple... The hard part is finding what percentage to raise and lower. I have done it and it works fine. If you pick the right percentages you can win about 80% of the time. You just have to make sure that in those times you win more than when you lose.

Anybody that suggests that the casino have a constant edge therefore can never be beaten in the long run, are kidding themselves.

I ask one question: "Why does the casino have a bet limit?".

The answer is they didn't always have. It is because people using systems beat them so they had to change the rules. Martingale for example.

So why is it such an impossibility to beat it.?

Limits are there so u dont keep on doubling up in your favour. That systems useless and will fail in the long term. The losers of roulette r those who throw money all over the place. They only depend on luck. I use probability,and previous results(no **** but youll need em even though its true ppl say u cant exactly pin point where the ball will land.But with results u can play with the odds.)
Im not an idiot like some ppl and think 6 blacks so a red will eventually land.

the key to suceeding is combination+probability+discipline

I know you can bet on every spot on the table and win. All through bet manipulation.
I prefer the even bets particularly red/black. If you know the probability of a certain number in a row and you have a system that can beat it you can win. I am not suggesting to anybody to double up on anything. Was merely pointing out that it was a successful system, and these systems revolutionised the game by bringing the maximum bet to where it is today. What it did was say, yes we can be beaten, and when we do we will simply change the rules...
Instead of doubling up and when you have 1 win you are in front, why not increase a little slower and cash in on a few of yours in a row...

All this is presuming you have a truly random situation. A dodgy spinner unless on a packed table or a mate of yours would not be a situation I would 'gamble' on.....